never mind the facts that hunters for the hungry fed millions of meals each year/ without this many people in this country would have been hungry , they should be reminded of this and to express it when they vote,never mind the fact that hunters through license sales have paid for large tracts of w,m. a. s entering these areas should be free if you have a valid fishing or hunting license,never mind that sportsmen have brought back many non game animals as well as game animals. EACH time that a group comes in contact with a conservation officer they need to be reminded who foots the bill.Never mind the dollars this industry supplies to the national and local economies each year . NEVER mind trying to explain how our sport strenghten and maintains strong family and fraternal ties. Never mind that this heritage is the backbone of our country and armed forces . WHAT WE NEED IS TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE AND BE CORRECT AND PROUD ABOUT IT.WE NEED A STRONG AND RECONIZEABLE LEADER. C.H did all he could. SO , WHO AMONG US IS THE BEST AND MOST WILLING INDIVIUAL TO LEAD US INTO THIS NEXT CENTURY?
LETS HAVE OUR OWN CONVENTION AND GATHER SUPPORT AND RECONITION AND GARNER RESPECT FROM THOSE THAT WOULD OPPOSE US , WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? LETS GET TO IT .

Travis,
The world of make believe is alive and well in there world,but here in the real world,none of there proposed plans could possibly work.I would love to see where the money for things like eight foot electric fences is going to come from,the farmers as a whole are cash straped as it is I know well.Reintroduce predators,I quess they want to wipe out deer,turkey and all other game animals.Man I could go on all night on these proposals,but I'll quit here.It's time we as hunters and gun owners stand together and fight for are rights.
Later,
BRBB

Who would flip the bill when their "Plan" doesn't work? You got it, the sportsman again. I am sick of their crazy ideas.

Bo,

I agree with you, but these groups thrive on media attention and stereotypes. They paint hunting as a backward hobby pursued by weak minded individuals who live in the past. They never bring up the fact that dollars from hunters have funded re-introduction stocking programs, state wildlife management areas, and intense management practices. These groups also ignore basic science as well. Each tract of land has a carrying capacity, which translates to the max number of animals the land can sustain during the toughest part of winter. The other animals die a slow death of starvation or become victims to predators like coyotes. Starving to death, painful diseases, and literally being eaten alive by a coyote are more humane than hunting. Wake up people! Thanks for the comments buddy.

Travis Faulkner
Outdoor Life

Wow, I would love to meet the author of the simple "6 step plan". However I have to think that it was probably written in a blue crayola by the 5 year old of a california liberal.

1) If you ban all hunting then the populations will quickly grow out of hand. Just look at how fast snow geese populate.
2) Natural predators have learned it's easier to get supper in your back yard.
3) Fires tend to get out of hand very quickly and then they can't hardly be contained.
4) You can't watch what people do every second of every day, they will still feed animals.
5) That will put too many out of work and cost big business to much of a loss.
6) Go head and starve them, sounds smart.

These people are just amazing. We have a town near where I live where no hunting is allowed, the town won't allow it. It has an absolutely amazing number of deer in the area. It has the highest number of deer/car accidents in the area. Of course the people complain, especially during the winter when the deer eat their shrubs.
The town government in their great wisdom decided that to help cut down on the deer/car accidents to trim the trees back further from the road, so people can see them better. They weren't smart enough to think that by cutting the trees they were supplying the deer with more food and bringing even more deer near the roads.
Some people have tried to get them to open the area up to bow hunting from elevated stands. But of course when that gets brought up the people say that they don't want it. But they do want the town to thin the herd. Their biggest idea it to use contraceptives on the does. Of course they don't want their taxes raised to pay for it or offer to figure out how to tell what does are getting the contraceptive and which ones aren't.

I don't make any apologies for hunting, but I'm willing to discuss it with people who are against or just don't know what it's all about. Not everyone will see it as being part of nature, or how much closer you are with your environment when your acting as a force within it for your food when compared to the "take only pictures" philosophy. What does seem to make people think is that a lot of people, even those who realize that it's not market feasible, accept the idea that free ranging would be an ideal livestock situation from the animal's perspective IF the cost could be born. You can't get more free than a steak that doesn't know there's a human in its life until it's taken. There are also few meat bearing activities that are lower impact than hunting. With the "locavore" mentality becoming more popular even in cities the arguements are even more compelling. When I can tell someone that I had venison steak from a deer I harvested and an omellette of eggs from my henhouse and veggies from my garden even the most urban people I know appreciate the novelty if not the good sense in that.

I'm always amused that it's generally the same people who are against the ownership of firearms and want to legislate mandatory holding of your child's hand 24/7 who propose things like the reintroduction of large predators into the area as an alternate to hunting. At the moment I've nothing bigger than coyotes in the area in any numbers and just becuase of that my 5 year old isn't out back without at least one of our dogs as company. Ask joggers and bicyclists in California how much fun it is to be unarmed around an un-hunted population of mountain lions. What, if anything, are they thinking? Personally, I'll trust my kids' safety to my bowhunting neighbor before I trust it to a 130lb cat that can haul a cow up a cliff.

It is hard to believe that even the people who come up with these proposals can think this would work. If it wasn't for we Americans preserving a past time, the insurance agencies would would really put the squeeze on the government and before you know it, deer would be similar to the dinosaur. By allowing people to carry on the tradition of hunting all game, it allows families to build strong bonds while deterring people from getting interested in a life of drugs and crime

Yes I would rather be shot than be attacked by a pack hungry wolves or coyotes and eaten alive. Also more wolves and mountain lions will keep everyone from entering the woods and we will have no part in mother nature and its beauty. Eight foot high electric fences, like anyone has the money for that right now. To many mountain lions in and kids, cats, and small dogs will come up missing.

8 Foot fence to keep out animals? HA HA HA HAA !!!!

Get this:

Enviro-Wack-Jobs worship nature as a god. They replace the Creator with Creation. They worship life itself, rather than the author of life.

And they believe that man has corrupted and is destroying nature. This they cannot tolerate, and most of them will stop at nothing to see nature take precedence over the needs and privileges of humanity.

Basically, their intent is to eliminate the human footprint, and let nature do its thing, because it's their god, and man cannot rule over a god. In essence, they desire the destruction of humanity--or extreme limitation of human contact with nature--all for the sake of "liberating" their god - Nature.

They would have humanity do one or both of two things: 1) descend to become one of the beasts, or "return" to prehistoric Neanderthal ways, and abdicate our position at the top of the food chain; or 2) pen himself up in the urban centers, building vertically, rather than sprawling horizontally, and stacking on top of each other, so as to take up as little of their precious nature as possible.

My question to them is this:
If their ideology calls for the abolition of modern man as we know him, and they believe in this whole-heartedly, why have they themselves not followed their ideology to its logical conclusion? Why have they not already either turned themselves into present-day Neanderthals? Or why have they not sacrificed their lives for their cause, thus accomplishing what they desire so much and ridding the earth of humanity? Why do they persist in modernity, partaking in society, the economy, and living just as everyone else does?

If they truly believed in the cause they profess to, they would have already done their part, and become cave-dwelling hermit-nudist hunter-gatherers; or they would have just gone ahead and killed themselves. As it is, they are the ultimate hypocrites, and nothing more than pompous windbags bellowing maniacal lunacies in the breeze of their own self-importance.

the person or people that came up with those rediculious steps is an idiot and i hope that they read these messages because it will show them how they will really make people feel in the hunting community

6phunter,

We think exactly the same brother! Your points are dead on the money and the general population needs to be exposed to these FACTS. Again, FACTS - not propaganda or opinion. Hunters need to utilize sites like the BBZ to push the FACTS to the rest of the world. Anti-hunting groups are great at pushing their agenda through the media and drawing attention. They are out there everyday and we need to fight back. Right now is the time to introduce everyone you can to hunting and the outdoors. Talk to young children about the true meaning of hunting and lead by example. We need to lead by example and help as many people as possible. Show the world what we are made of and explain how hunting has shaped and molded the people we are today.

In addition, we all need to be aware of Hollywood personalities and celebrities who support hunting We also need to know what businesses support hunting. These are the groups we need to support and boycott the ones that do not. Guys like Craig Morgan (country music singer), Jeff Foxworthy, Blake Shelton (country music singer), Rhett Akins, Chipper Jones (major league baseball player) and the many others need our support. We should also not forget about the ladies like Miranda Lambret who take a stand for hunting. We need to ban together and get behind the right people and businesses. This is exactly what we need to fight back

Travis Faulkner
Outdoor Life

rrmont,

I love your breakdown on the plan, but I think it makes too much sense for these groups. Keep the comments coming brother!

Travis Faulkner
Outdoor Life

AMEN,ALL. Thanks T.F.

Wow that is utterly ridiculous. That is part of the folly of animal rights groups thinking that they know how things should be done. Morons if you ask me, i'd like to actually stop and talk to these people and get a feel for their thought process so i could give them an alternate and realistic viewpoint. Groups like that fail to realize and see that it's sportsmen that continually contribute to the conservation and restoration of game animals, with out us there won't be nearly as large a want for conservation and restoration, then they'll have to find something else to complain about. If you ask me they need to stop living in their dream world were non-realistic goals and solutions solve everday problems and move into the present with everyone else.

i have to agree with you. If they ban hunting more deer will get hit on the road, then they will complain about that. the electric fence thing is a waste a time and money that people just dont have. and the whole 'letting wildfires burn thing' is just plain stupid, they obviously have no idea what its like to try to fight fires. you let one fire burn 5 acres, next thing you know you just lost 1,000 acres or more. I know, i am a firefighter and you cant just 'let em burn'.

I'm imagining an 8foot fence around hundreds of thousands of acres in the Ark delta. I've witnessed adult deer clear 8-ft in a heart-beat dizens of times, on my lot. I and my neighbors each could shoot a deer per month without reducing the local population who feed on hay, excellent mast, birdseed, and my melons in summer. Truth is there's an estimated million-deer in AR, 3 million people. Tons of high-quality meat within sight almost 24/7 for those who are alert. Most hunters I know aren't trophy-hunters, they're just gettin groceries to suppliment store-bought "meat"; that white stuff in the freezer section with the red dye to highlight the bit of lean... That a wild whitetail has almost none of.
A note on re-introducing predators; they're here, coyotes, bobcat, maybe even a wolf or 2, in semi-rural areas. No way they could impact the deer around here signifigantly, and pets are easier prey for them along with the livestock raised for store "meat" purchased to save a whitetail.

i say we just let them ban hunting for a little while and after all the cattle have died from diseases and hundreds of kids are missing because of cougars and wolves we just sit back and watch.....it wont take long before theyll be begging us to go hunt the wolves, cougars and whitetail....

HUNTERS FOR LIFE, NO EXCEPTIONS!!

Amen, BRBB,
Only by solidarity and not fighting among ourselves will we persevere. Our opponents are not divided on this one and we need to be united as outdoor sportsmen in order to survive the coming onslaught. Those who think we are alarmists are incredibly naive and will be the first to give up the ship. STAY STRONG, join the NRA and other orgs that will support our rights as stated in the Constitution, as opposed to the UN charter.

Our management agency "the Pa game commission" has an antihunter program in place. They have taken some of the anti suggestions mentioned and more. They fence off regenerating forest areas on gamelands and stateforest. They continue with a failed deer plan that promotes rock bottom deer densities and this is causing lack of hunter retention and recruitment. I have seen several antihunter websites speaking out in support of the Pa deer management plan. Not surprisingly there are quite a few instances of enviromental extremeist types on the game commisison and even recorded instances of alliance with H.S.U.S. There are huge problems in Pa and we are badly in need of help. Some legislators are trying to help, but there are also some in the antis corner as well.

I just wanna know did peta or any other have anything to do with bringing back animals that where nearly gone? wild turkey .. Bison , wolves? No thats right they'd rather blow up suv's and hold signs. Heres proof that well managed game laws have helped wildlife in my area. My dad told me when he was my age (22) he in his (60s) they'd hunt all week for a deer and either never find or would see one in a weeks time, so in that 40 year span, Deer hunting now atleast for us isnt who may get a deer is which one of us will shot first. I say let the hippies keep hugging the tree's and bear cough treadwell, when the real hero's HUNTERS save the world

8 foot electric fences??

But that wouldn't be very "green" at all. Think about all the electric power that this would waste, leading to the release of GHG's and acceleration of climate change.

These are probably the same environmentalists that destroyed the livelihood of farmers in the past with the DDT ban and want to do so in the future by introducing carbon taxes on agriculture.