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December 09, 2009
Are Poachers Ruining Your Season? - 22
by Gerry Bethge
The other day, I blogged about some of the worse-than-forecasted deer harvests in the Northeast and the upper Midwest. Mike from Michigan wondered aloud whether the economy might have resulted in a higher incidence of poaching. "What is around, more than normal, are hungry, out of work people," he posted. "Could some of the deer harvest have gone unreported and out of season?" Mike might have a point. On the heels of his post comes a story out of New York State regarding "Operation Jackhammer." To date, 107 people in the Hudson Valley, Capital Region (Albany), Catskills and Adirondacks have been charged with more than 250 offenses. They included 27 instances of deer jacking and 48 instances of hunters using lights, but not yet killing deer when caught. Approximately 40 guns were confiscated and 42 illegally taken deer were recovered. The NYDEC was suprised at the large amount of poaching that took place during the six-week nighttime sweep. Meanwhile, here this from the Newshound's J.R. Absher: Here at the Outdoor Life, we’ve written it before, and unfortunately, we’ll probably write it again: Those persons who break hunting laws are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp. Take for example the West Virginia man who was photographed with a large whitetail buck while he entered it in the Wheeling Cabela’s big buck contest. The resulting photo published on the front page the Wheeling Intelligencer newspaper led to a brief investigation by state DNR conservation officers and subsequent poaching charges against Ray Owens of Bethany. According to a DNR press release, State DNR Sgt. Dave Shriner saw the photo in the newspaper and contacted Brooke County Conservation Officer Steve Himmelrick. Apparently officer Himmelrick knew Owens and had received a spotlighting complaint in the Bethany area the night of Nov. 22—the night before opening day of the regular firearms deer season. Upon questioning by Himmelrick, Owens stopped short of admitting he killed the 16-point trophy buck the night before the season opened, but he fessed-up to not having a hunting license and to killing the animal on property where he did not have permission to hunt. Owens was charged in Brooke County Magistrate Court with hunting without a license, and the deer’s head was confiscated from a local taxidermist. Capt. Lou DellaMea of the state DNR’s Law Enforcement Section said the buck initially raised suspicions because it was the first deer checked at the local checking station on opening morning. In addition, it was not field-dressed--something that most ethical hunters always do prior to having the deer checked and tagged. If convicted, Owens faces fines and replacement costs totaling up to $500
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Yes, I am sick of poachers, people who hunt from atv's (aka they use an atv as a deerstand, or a roving deerstand), road hunters, trespassers, spotlighters, folks who shoot deer in archery only counties with rifles, shotguns, or pistols, etc. How bad did it bother me this season, I only rifle hunted two days becasue it is just that bad here in West Virginia..Yes i am from the same state as this idiot pictured above and we have some of the most unethical and downright dispicable people who try and pose as hunters, in the entire nation.
yes this numbskull is an example of greed as in wanting the biggest buck.this has nothing to do with the decline in deer population still see alot of does along the road if road hunters were killing the deer along the road then we would not see any deer.i know one thing in west virginia the deer kill is down and and we need to find out why because i recall hereing my dad say if they saw a deer track that was a big event in our county.i dont want it to come to that today!
Poachers piss me off for a lot of reasons, but mostly because they make the rest of us look bad. This bonehead is as stupid as he is unethical. He has no license but he enters a deer in a big buck contest! Way to cover your tracks, dimwit. He should have entered a stupid criminal contest instead.
A friend of mine found a dead buck behind a dirt pile at the end of a dirt road with its antlers cut off and the rest of the deer just left there to rot. The buck wasn't gutted at all, no meat taken; not even the backstraps.... just the antlers taken.
We have 'big city' so-called hunters come up and they think they own the woods. Hell, the even shoot a cow now and than thinking they just shot one hell of a deer. Anybody out there know when deer start looking like Holsteins let me know, because I would like to see a black and white deer with utters.
A few years ago I saw a dead deer along the side of a dirt road, sure it was a doe, backstraps cut out and the rest of the deer just left to rot. Thrown out like it was garbage.
Poachers and unethical hunters are worthless, good for nothing slime. Gum stuck to the bottom of my boot has more of a purpose in life than a poacher or unethical hunter.
500$ LOL! What a fine that could be. I saw it all over the years nothing surprise s me anymore seems to me there is more poachers then hunters in 2009! The feeling you get in the stomach when you find a fresh kill with the head choped off is like when you walk in a public bathroom and the last one to use it didnt flush and left a pile floating just for you too smell soon as the door opens you know that feeling in your stomach when the smell rushes up your nose! But thats poachers for you
It has been my experience that the more remote the location the higher the likelihood of poachers breaking all the rules. Loaded rifles across the seat, a high intensity light plugged into the cigarette lighter and a case of beer are the tools of the trade. There are no limits, shoot one deer or fill the box of the pickup if ammunition allows and the hand is steady enough once the beer is exhausted. It is not a sport it is a slaughter. There is no convincing such individuals to stop because they were not raised to know right from wrong. I hope the animals they have killed will be standing at the gates to heaven with antlers at the ready barring their entry and stomping their feet to announce to some hellish place that one more lowlife is coming down. Take their rifles, take their vehicle and anything else connected to the poaching activity- then fine them $5000 not $500.
Couple years back I was sitting in a stand about 200 yards from a dirt road and had a truck barreling down the road shooting at a doe running straight at me with two guys popping off rifle rounds in a shotgun only area in the bed of the truck. I had to hide behind the tree for cover. I haven't been so pissed off since and probably won't be for quite a while.
Yes, i am so f***ing sick of poachers. This fall a family was caught taking 10 deer off our land while shining. All bucks. We shot one 10 pointer this year as oppose to 7 nice bucks last year. I just dont get whats going through their head.
Sad as it is,,,,yes i believe there is a lot more poaching right now during very difficult economic times for a lot of people. I spent 7 weeks up at my cabin deer hunting in northern Wisconsin--bow hunting first and then gun hunting. It was amazing how very late in the afternoon during bow only season we would hear a single rifle shot. It was almost a daily occurence---often more than one from different directions. It makes you wonder how many deer statewide are being shot in the 6 weeks before gun season. IT DOESNOT MAKE IT RIGHT BUT IT IS HAPPENING FAR MORE OFTEN THAN BEFORE.
Poachers have been around since the dawn of recorded time - Like hemorrhoids they will have to be endured.
I know what y'all mean about how disgusting poachers are. We'd never hunted in MI before, but before Thanksgiving we went deer hunting there. We were in a very rural area and there were some small pockets of the Manistee NF around us. We walked into one area and were disgusted by the deer carcasses all along this forest road. Piles of bones like you'd never believe and intact carcasses with only the antlers or the hind quarters removed. It was total carnage. Obviously the locals' dumping ground for a long time. If someone is poaching meat because of hard times I can somewhat understand it, but poaching and then just dumping bodies is a sin. Shame on the locals for not shutting that down. If we know about it you can bet they do.
Poaching has always been common in my area south central Mo. However it seems to be quite a bit worse this year. I have seen three deer with the backstraps cut off left to rot less than a half mile of my house. This was early archery season. I frequently hear shots both night and day. The most disturbing are the semi auto 22 at night cause I know there is a deer, or sometimes a calf that suffers a inhumane death. These poachers have no regard for the lives of the animals and no respect for the law or anyone. Spotlighting is a very dangerous activity and criminal charges should be severe, not a joke.
I get pissed off just as much as the next guy with road hunters and the deer layin around with antlers cut off. I can understand why potching would be up with all the jobs leaving the state of Michigan and the licenses going way up in price. I can unterstand to an extent hunting without licenses for the meat, but there is no excuse for the lights, atv's, road hunting, and leaving carcuses layin around with antlers off. The people that kill for the rack and leave the rest to rot need a good beat down when there are people out there risking fines just to put food on the table.
500.00 dollars for this,, i think it ought to be alot more in my opinion ,, what was he thinking?
I get pissed off just as much as the next guy with road hunters and the deer layin around with antlers cut off. I can understand why potching would be up with all the jobs leaving the state of Michigan and the licenses going way up in price. I can unterstand to an extent hunting without licenses for the meat, but there is no excuse for the lights, atv's, road hunting, and leaving carcuses layin around with antlers off. The people that kill for the rack and leave the rest to rot need a good beat down when there are people out there risking fines just to put food on the table.
Poaching has always been common in my area south central Mo. However it seems to be quite a bit worse this year. I have seen three deer with the backstraps cut off left to rot less than a half mile of my house. This was early archery season.
Poaching run rampant is South Central Oklahoma. One poacher bragged that he killed 40 deer last year and even traded some for truck parts. I used to have deer, turkey, and a couple of hogs next to me. Some how this bunch got permission to hunt it. Now there is nothing left. Last year someone called the game warden to tell him about spotlighting that was going on. He told them that he didn't work after five pm., but you let a kid get caught rideing a 4-wheeler on goverment land and they will take his 4-wheeler and write him a big fine. They think they're traffic cops. I am so ashamed of the game wardens in Oklahoma. It's enough to make one sick.
The solution is stiffer fines for poachers, trespassers, and the like. In NJ if you get caught trespassing it's only a $100 fine. Hunting without a license, $99 fine. They need to enact laws and judges need to hand down severe sentences to these scum, that's the only deterrent we have. That, and a good doberman I like to let out at night.
I do not believe the economy is a major force in driving poaching activity. Hunting licenses in Michigan are cheap for residents (less than the cost of a box of the cheapest rifle ammunition) and multiple licenses are available for most of the state. Seasons are long and public hunting lands are abundant. The major force driving poaching activity is the incessant emphasis on killing large antlered bucks. WHen I started my career as a game warden thirty years ago I would encounter people killing deer illegally in order to add to the supply in the freezer- and, for the most part, when they were caught, they were caught- and courts took that into consideration. There are no Robin Hoods left, though- today's poacher shoots once in the night- if that buck drops in its tracks, it is thrown in the truck. If it is poorly hit, which is likely at night in bad light from a vehicle window, it is left to run off and die in the back of the field where the farmer finds it in the spring.
Poaching a trophy buck is wrong! My family owns some acres and there is not a decent buck on the whole property due to a**holes that neighbor it. I have always told myself if I encounter a poacher it will be all I can do not to shoot him down in his tracks, until about a year ago. I was grouse hunting (on my land) and came upon a young man (about my age) with an old single shot .22 and a deer at the bottom of a cliff that I frequently sit on to deer hunt. I walked to the top of the cliff and hollered,"What the @#*k are you doing?!". He turned and looked up at me. His face was dirty and his clothes too small. He then began begging me not to get him in trouble with the law, and explained that his pa was laid off and that his family could not afford to buy all their food. He had only shot a doe (which over populate the property), so I walked down and helped him gut the deer (he had no idea what he was doing). I then set up a "deal" with him to allow his family
to harvest a doe once a month on my property and to make sure to process the meat correctly(so they didn't get sick). He is now one of my best friends and he says thanks to my (and my family's) understanding, his family is back on their feet and his pa is working. According to the law he was poaching, but according to me he was providing. If you are having trouble with money listen up, there is no real hunter or land owner that will turn down a request to provide for your family, but make sure you fallow their requests. If you are a horn poacher, I think I speak for the true sportsmen and women out there, NOBODY'S IMPRESSED!
Here in Alabama you can gift wrap poachers for the Game Wardens and they still do nothing. I dropped a pine tree across a road after the poachers drove in(ONE WAY IN/ONE WAY OUT)and called the Game Warden and nothing was done. The poachers got away with poaching on my property by acessing it through Federal land and I got a ticket b/c I cut down a F#@%ing tree.Now the poachers think it's funny and they have even told me there is nothing I can do about it. After all the B.S I'm starting to believe them thanks to the Game Wardens who never show up when called. I almost think we need to get back to the old ways of protecting our lands(start shooting first and asking questions later)but the county coroners might not like it if you know what I mean.
Some people poach to get the big buck before the season or after hours... In PA its nice to see a 5 pointer and thats what i saw...there was a 5 pointer sleeping on my front lawn the morning of archery season. It was only about 5am and still dark so i just put on a coat and sat on the deck watching it sleep. It finally woke up and stood up calmly, stretched for a few minutes and just walked away like nothing. It is first unlawful, but also unethical to shoot a deer out of hours and while its sleeping. I could have made this 10 foot shot and no one would have known, but I let it up and 5 weeks later in rifle i got a 13 pointer.. I am SO glad i didn't fill my tag with that decent 5 pointer
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A friend of mine found a dead buck behind a dirt pile at the end of a dirt road with its antlers cut off and the rest of the deer just left there to rot. The buck wasn't gutted at all, no meat taken; not even the backstraps.... just the antlers taken.
We have 'big city' so-called hunters come up and they think they own the woods. Hell, the even shoot a cow now and than thinking they just shot one hell of a deer. Anybody out there know when deer start looking like Holsteins let me know, because I would like to see a black and white deer with utters.
A few years ago I saw a dead deer along the side of a dirt road, sure it was a doe, backstraps cut out and the rest of the deer just left to rot. Thrown out like it was garbage.
Poachers and unethical hunters are worthless, good for nothing slime. Gum stuck to the bottom of my boot has more of a purpose in life than a poacher or unethical hunter.
Yes, I am sick of poachers, people who hunt from atv's (aka they use an atv as a deerstand, or a roving deerstand), road hunters, trespassers, spotlighters, folks who shoot deer in archery only counties with rifles, shotguns, or pistols, etc. How bad did it bother me this season, I only rifle hunted two days becasue it is just that bad here in West Virginia..Yes i am from the same state as this idiot pictured above and we have some of the most unethical and downright dispicable people who try and pose as hunters, in the entire nation.
yes this numbskull is an example of greed as in wanting the biggest buck.this has nothing to do with the decline in deer population still see alot of does along the road if road hunters were killing the deer along the road then we would not see any deer.i know one thing in west virginia the deer kill is down and and we need to find out why because i recall hereing my dad say if they saw a deer track that was a big event in our county.i dont want it to come to that today!
Poachers piss me off for a lot of reasons, but mostly because they make the rest of us look bad. This bonehead is as stupid as he is unethical. He has no license but he enters a deer in a big buck contest! Way to cover your tracks, dimwit. He should have entered a stupid criminal contest instead.
500$ LOL! What a fine that could be. I saw it all over the years nothing surprise s me anymore seems to me there is more poachers then hunters in 2009! The feeling you get in the stomach when you find a fresh kill with the head choped off is like when you walk in a public bathroom and the last one to use it didnt flush and left a pile floating just for you too smell soon as the door opens you know that feeling in your stomach when the smell rushes up your nose! But thats poachers for you
It has been my experience that the more remote the location the higher the likelihood of poachers breaking all the rules. Loaded rifles across the seat, a high intensity light plugged into the cigarette lighter and a case of beer are the tools of the trade. There are no limits, shoot one deer or fill the box of the pickup if ammunition allows and the hand is steady enough once the beer is exhausted. It is not a sport it is a slaughter. There is no convincing such individuals to stop because they were not raised to know right from wrong. I hope the animals they have killed will be standing at the gates to heaven with antlers at the ready barring their entry and stomping their feet to announce to some hellish place that one more lowlife is coming down. Take their rifles, take their vehicle and anything else connected to the poaching activity- then fine them $5000 not $500.
Poachers have been around since the dawn of recorded time - Like hemorrhoids they will have to be endured.
I know what y'all mean about how disgusting poachers are. We'd never hunted in MI before, but before Thanksgiving we went deer hunting there. We were in a very rural area and there were some small pockets of the Manistee NF around us. We walked into one area and were disgusted by the deer carcasses all along this forest road. Piles of bones like you'd never believe and intact carcasses with only the antlers or the hind quarters removed. It was total carnage. Obviously the locals' dumping ground for a long time. If someone is poaching meat because of hard times I can somewhat understand it, but poaching and then just dumping bodies is a sin. Shame on the locals for not shutting that down. If we know about it you can bet they do.
I do not believe the economy is a major force in driving poaching activity. Hunting licenses in Michigan are cheap for residents (less than the cost of a box of the cheapest rifle ammunition) and multiple licenses are available for most of the state. Seasons are long and public hunting lands are abundant. The major force driving poaching activity is the incessant emphasis on killing large antlered bucks. WHen I started my career as a game warden thirty years ago I would encounter people killing deer illegally in order to add to the supply in the freezer- and, for the most part, when they were caught, they were caught- and courts took that into consideration. There are no Robin Hoods left, though- today's poacher shoots once in the night- if that buck drops in its tracks, it is thrown in the truck. If it is poorly hit, which is likely at night in bad light from a vehicle window, it is left to run off and die in the back of the field where the farmer finds it in the spring.
Couple years back I was sitting in a stand about 200 yards from a dirt road and had a truck barreling down the road shooting at a doe running straight at me with two guys popping off rifle rounds in a shotgun only area in the bed of the truck. I had to hide behind the tree for cover. I haven't been so pissed off since and probably won't be for quite a while.
Yes, i am so f***ing sick of poachers. This fall a family was caught taking 10 deer off our land while shining. All bucks. We shot one 10 pointer this year as oppose to 7 nice bucks last year. I just dont get whats going through their head.
Sad as it is,,,,yes i believe there is a lot more poaching right now during very difficult economic times for a lot of people. I spent 7 weeks up at my cabin deer hunting in northern Wisconsin--bow hunting first and then gun hunting. It was amazing how very late in the afternoon during bow only season we would hear a single rifle shot. It was almost a daily occurence---often more than one from different directions. It makes you wonder how many deer statewide are being shot in the 6 weeks before gun season. IT DOESNOT MAKE IT RIGHT BUT IT IS HAPPENING FAR MORE OFTEN THAN BEFORE.
Poaching has always been common in my area south central Mo. However it seems to be quite a bit worse this year. I have seen three deer with the backstraps cut off left to rot less than a half mile of my house. This was early archery season. I frequently hear shots both night and day. The most disturbing are the semi auto 22 at night cause I know there is a deer, or sometimes a calf that suffers a inhumane death. These poachers have no regard for the lives of the animals and no respect for the law or anyone. Spotlighting is a very dangerous activity and criminal charges should be severe, not a joke.
500.00 dollars for this,, i think it ought to be alot more in my opinion ,, what was he thinking?
Poaching a trophy buck is wrong! My family owns some acres and there is not a decent buck on the whole property due to a**holes that neighbor it. I have always told myself if I encounter a poacher it will be all I can do not to shoot him down in his tracks, until about a year ago. I was grouse hunting (on my land) and came upon a young man (about my age) with an old single shot .22 and a deer at the bottom of a cliff that I frequently sit on to deer hunt. I walked to the top of the cliff and hollered,"What the @#*k are you doing?!". He turned and looked up at me. His face was dirty and his clothes too small. He then began begging me not to get him in trouble with the law, and explained that his pa was laid off and that his family could not afford to buy all their food. He had only shot a doe (which over populate the property), so I walked down and helped him gut the deer (he had no idea what he was doing). I then set up a "deal" with him to allow his family
to harvest a doe once a month on my property and to make sure to process the meat correctly(so they didn't get sick). He is now one of my best friends and he says thanks to my (and my family's) understanding, his family is back on their feet and his pa is working. According to the law he was poaching, but according to me he was providing. If you are having trouble with money listen up, there is no real hunter or land owner that will turn down a request to provide for your family, but make sure you fallow their requests. If you are a horn poacher, I think I speak for the true sportsmen and women out there, NOBODY'S IMPRESSED!
I get pissed off just as much as the next guy with road hunters and the deer layin around with antlers cut off. I can understand why potching would be up with all the jobs leaving the state of Michigan and the licenses going way up in price. I can unterstand to an extent hunting without licenses for the meat, but there is no excuse for the lights, atv's, road hunting, and leaving carcuses layin around with antlers off. The people that kill for the rack and leave the rest to rot need a good beat down when there are people out there risking fines just to put food on the table.
I get pissed off just as much as the next guy with road hunters and the deer layin around with antlers cut off. I can understand why potching would be up with all the jobs leaving the state of Michigan and the licenses going way up in price. I can unterstand to an extent hunting without licenses for the meat, but there is no excuse for the lights, atv's, road hunting, and leaving carcuses layin around with antlers off. The people that kill for the rack and leave the rest to rot need a good beat down when there are people out there risking fines just to put food on the table.
Poaching has always been common in my area south central Mo. However it seems to be quite a bit worse this year. I have seen three deer with the backstraps cut off left to rot less than a half mile of my house. This was early archery season.
Poaching run rampant is South Central Oklahoma. One poacher bragged that he killed 40 deer last year and even traded some for truck parts. I used to have deer, turkey, and a couple of hogs next to me. Some how this bunch got permission to hunt it. Now there is nothing left. Last year someone called the game warden to tell him about spotlighting that was going on. He told them that he didn't work after five pm., but you let a kid get caught rideing a 4-wheeler on goverment land and they will take his 4-wheeler and write him a big fine. They think they're traffic cops. I am so ashamed of the game wardens in Oklahoma. It's enough to make one sick.
The solution is stiffer fines for poachers, trespassers, and the like. In NJ if you get caught trespassing it's only a $100 fine. Hunting without a license, $99 fine. They need to enact laws and judges need to hand down severe sentences to these scum, that's the only deterrent we have. That, and a good doberman I like to let out at night.
Here in Alabama you can gift wrap poachers for the Game Wardens and they still do nothing. I dropped a pine tree across a road after the poachers drove in(ONE WAY IN/ONE WAY OUT)and called the Game Warden and nothing was done. The poachers got away with poaching on my property by acessing it through Federal land and I got a ticket b/c I cut down a F#@%ing tree.Now the poachers think it's funny and they have even told me there is nothing I can do about it. After all the B.S I'm starting to believe them thanks to the Game Wardens who never show up when called. I almost think we need to get back to the old ways of protecting our lands(start shooting first and asking questions later)but the county coroners might not like it if you know what I mean.
Some people poach to get the big buck before the season or after hours... In PA its nice to see a 5 pointer and thats what i saw...there was a 5 pointer sleeping on my front lawn the morning of archery season. It was only about 5am and still dark so i just put on a coat and sat on the deck watching it sleep. It finally woke up and stood up calmly, stretched for a few minutes and just walked away like nothing. It is first unlawful, but also unethical to shoot a deer out of hours and while its sleeping. I could have made this 10 foot shot and no one would have known, but I let it up and 5 weeks later in rifle i got a 13 pointer.. I am SO glad i didn't fill my tag with that decent 5 pointer
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