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January 14, 2013
Joe Biden's Gun Control Recommendations Likely Will Not Include Assault Weapons Ban - 9

Vice President Joe Biden will recommend new gun control measures to President Barack Obama which will include more comprehensive background checks and limits on ammunition magazine capacities, but will not feature a proposed assault weapons ban.
               
Biden will submit the proposals to Obama on Jan. 15. He discussed potential recommendations on Jan. 10 after meeting with representatives of the NRA and Wal-Mart at the White House.
               
"I committed to him I'd have these recommendations to him by Tuesday (Jan. 15)," Biden said. "That doesn't mean it's end of the discussion, but the public wants us to act."
               
While it's possible that an AWB could be included in Biden's final proposal, many observers say such a proposal could bog down Obama's declared intent to move quickly in imposing gun control measures in the wake of the Dec. 14 Newtown school shootings, even if it requires executive action to do so.
               
And there may not be a need for Obama to embroil himself in an AWB debate when Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has already submitted a Senate bill that outlines a proposed ban that the NRA says would "adopt new definitions of 'assault weapon' that would affect a much larger variety of firearms," require owners of "assault weapons" to register them with the federal government, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners.
               
During its meeting with Biden, the NRA reiterated its opposition to magazine capacity limits and any proposed AWB.
               
"The vice president made it clear, made it explicitly clear, that the president had already made up his mind on those issues," NRA President David Keene said following the meeting. "We made it clear that we disagree with them."
               
"I don't think a ban on assault weapons -- which is a ban on some of the most popular rifles in America -- is likely to get support," Adam Winkler, a UCLA law professor and Second Amendment expert, told Liz Goodwin of Yahoo! News. "The 1994 ban was widely recognized to be ineffective and to be riddled with loopholes."
               
Goodwin writes that because the Clinton-era ban focused on cosmetic features of semi-automatic weapons, such as bayonet lugs, manufacturers could remove those features and produce legal guns that were "functionally identical to the banned weapons."
               
In addition, she writes, many semi-automatic weapons are more popular now, including the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the Newtown shooting, which is one of the best selling rifles in America. There are at least 3 million AR-15-type rifles in America today, and semi-automatic handguns have overtaken revolvers as the most popular handguns.
               
For more, go to:
-- Gun control debate: Is an assault weapons ban out of reach?
               
-- COURSEY: Don't let loudest voices control the gun debate
               
-- Biden, NRA clash over new gun measures
               
-- 'NRA is saying the gun is a symbol of freedom'
               
-- NRA lashes out at gun restriction attempts after meeting with Vice President Biden
               
-- Biden pledges urgent Obama action on gun control
               
-- Chances Of Gun Control Dim In Washington

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

JCarlin, Here is a collage of video evidence from news reporting among many other things. I will warn you that there is conspiracy theory behind this video but archives are real sources. Take it or leave it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

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from schmakenzie wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

"Charlie Elk", What would you tell the people of New York state today?

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from charlie elk wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I do worry about those on "our side" who are ceding ground before we even see the proposals from the other side; every rumored "reasonable” control proposal floating around is claimed by our opponents to be only "a good start".
You cannot negotiate on rights and expect to have rights in the end.
later,
charlie

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

krwheeler,
Can you corroborate that, because I can't find that factoid anywhere?

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from Kevin R. Wheeler wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Quit spreading the myth that the shooter used an AK or AR. He did NOT! When he was recovered, all he had on his person were handguns. The long gun was IN THE TRUNK of the car that he used.

Further examination of the video has shown that the long gun found WAS NOT an AK or AR of ANY KIND. It was most likely a shotgun.

It does not help when a "sporting" magazine spreads the same stupid rumors as are found in the main stream press.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

All of these suggestions are useless as Teets on a boar hog as they say.

1) These crimes are commited by criminals with disregard to laws. So adding another law does nothing but limit and make responsible, legal law abiding gun owners for crimes of others.

2) Limiting magazine capacity does effectively nothing. They are assuming a mag with capacity of 10 or less rounds will reduce cassualties, when it won't. Someone with little to no training can change a mag in a few seconds, and commence shooting.

3) Most criminal shootings occur with stolen guns rendering background checks useless. Majority of deaths by guns are committed by gangbangers. I'd like to see how many of these gangbangers got a background check prior to receiving their guns!

4) Banning "Assault Weapons" is just silly to begin with because most gun crimes are comitted with more easily concealed guns namely handguns and as stated above by gangbangers. AW are used but far less frequently.

More can be said but these are the four most common sense conclusions.

A final thought. Would you rather face a criminal with a shotgun or an Assault rifle? I would go with an AW they have 30 rounds that require some sense of aim while a shotgun loaded with 5 rounds of #4 buck is equivalent to being armed with 135 rounds or more. My thought is I have better odds of being missed by thirty rounds with 30 pulls of a trigger than 27 rounds with a single pull. Food for thought!

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I don't have a problem with blanket background checks for private sales as long as you can still sell your personal weapons or gift them in family but need to do it at a licensed dealer.
But putting on my tin-foil hat for a moment, what concerns me is that an outright ban won't be pushed at this time. A "more reasonable" full registry will be the compromise. This would allow an outright ban to have a lot more teeth when they propose it next year.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I could see the proposal including......

1. Limits on magazine capacity.
2. Upgraded background checks (including fingerprints).
3. Private sales to be done through NICS, with a fee to to be paid to the ffl holder (gun store).
4. A tax on ammo and/or new gun sales.

What will pass? Who knows.

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from huntfishtrap wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I could live with changes to how we conduct background checks, and limits on the capacity of magazines. A full assault-weapons ban would not accomplish anything positive though.

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from huntfishtrap wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I could live with changes to how we conduct background checks, and limits on the capacity of magazines. A full assault-weapons ban would not accomplish anything positive though.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I could see the proposal including......

1. Limits on magazine capacity.
2. Upgraded background checks (including fingerprints).
3. Private sales to be done through NICS, with a fee to to be paid to the ffl holder (gun store).
4. A tax on ammo and/or new gun sales.

What will pass? Who knows.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I don't have a problem with blanket background checks for private sales as long as you can still sell your personal weapons or gift them in family but need to do it at a licensed dealer.
But putting on my tin-foil hat for a moment, what concerns me is that an outright ban won't be pushed at this time. A "more reasonable" full registry will be the compromise. This would allow an outright ban to have a lot more teeth when they propose it next year.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

All of these suggestions are useless as Teets on a boar hog as they say.

1) These crimes are commited by criminals with disregard to laws. So adding another law does nothing but limit and make responsible, legal law abiding gun owners for crimes of others.

2) Limiting magazine capacity does effectively nothing. They are assuming a mag with capacity of 10 or less rounds will reduce cassualties, when it won't. Someone with little to no training can change a mag in a few seconds, and commence shooting.

3) Most criminal shootings occur with stolen guns rendering background checks useless. Majority of deaths by guns are committed by gangbangers. I'd like to see how many of these gangbangers got a background check prior to receiving their guns!

4) Banning "Assault Weapons" is just silly to begin with because most gun crimes are comitted with more easily concealed guns namely handguns and as stated above by gangbangers. AW are used but far less frequently.

More can be said but these are the four most common sense conclusions.

A final thought. Would you rather face a criminal with a shotgun or an Assault rifle? I would go with an AW they have 30 rounds that require some sense of aim while a shotgun loaded with 5 rounds of #4 buck is equivalent to being armed with 135 rounds or more. My thought is I have better odds of being missed by thirty rounds with 30 pulls of a trigger than 27 rounds with a single pull. Food for thought!

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from Kevin R. Wheeler wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Quit spreading the myth that the shooter used an AK or AR. He did NOT! When he was recovered, all he had on his person were handguns. The long gun was IN THE TRUNK of the car that he used.

Further examination of the video has shown that the long gun found WAS NOT an AK or AR of ANY KIND. It was most likely a shotgun.

It does not help when a "sporting" magazine spreads the same stupid rumors as are found in the main stream press.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

krwheeler,
Can you corroborate that, because I can't find that factoid anywhere?

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from charlie elk wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I do worry about those on "our side" who are ceding ground before we even see the proposals from the other side; every rumored "reasonable” control proposal floating around is claimed by our opponents to be only "a good start".
You cannot negotiate on rights and expect to have rights in the end.
later,
charlie

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

JCarlin, Here is a collage of video evidence from news reporting among many other things. I will warn you that there is conspiracy theory behind this video but archives are real sources. Take it or leave it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

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from schmakenzie wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

"Charlie Elk", What would you tell the people of New York state today?

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