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October 09, 2009
Buck Lure Ban? - 7

The Pennsylvania Game Commission’s veterinary consultant this week recommended the statewide prohibition of scents and attractants utilizing deer urine in an effort to prevent the spread of chronic wasting disease into The Keystone State. 

Walt Cottrell, PGC chief veterinarian, told the Pennsylvania Game Commission during its regular October meeting Monday that nine states are presently considering banning deer urine use by hunters because of its potential to spread chronic wasting disease. 

Recent scientific findings indicate that CWD can be spread by excreted prions (altered proteins) found in the waste of infected animals, long before the disease is manifested in cervids like deer and elk. 

First identified in Colorado in 1967, CWD has been found in Colorado, Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, South Dakota, Montana, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Utah, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Wyoming and the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan. No cases of CWD have been identified in Pennsylvania.

The disease is spread from one deer to another through saliva and other bodily fluids, along with food that has grown in CWD-contaminated soil. The proteins that carry CWD are excreted in both feces and urine, and once they reach the soil, according to Cottrell, become 700 times more infectious.

In his presentation to the Commission, Cottrell said he would recommend and support an immediate ban on the use of deer urine, as well as the feeding of deer with food that may have been grown in CWD-contaminated soil from other states.

The Commission did not act upon Cottrell’s recommendations.

 

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 24 weeks ago

djh, you really got me laughing on that one. good post.

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from 84pete wrote 4 years 24 weeks ago

I agree w/ Charlie Elk, once it's banned it's gone. Even if it's proven to not be the culprit. In northern Pa the deer herd has been destroyed by the over issueance of doe tags. My family and relatives have hunted the "big woods" of McKean Co for 75 years and I've never seen so few deer. So even if I did use the lure there's no deer to smell it.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Main Entry: ban
Pronunciation: ban
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): banned; ban·ning
Etymology: Middle English bannen to summon, curse, from Old English bannan to summon; akin to Old High German bannan to command, Latin fari to speak, Greek phanai to say, phōnē sound, voice
Date: 12th century
transitive verb
1 archaic : curse
2 : to prohibit especially by legal means ; also : to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of
3 : bar 3c
^^^^Google
Sorry just thought the ban word was very intresting. I only used deer pee once in my life & it didnt help me a lick. On one hand evrey law passed is that much more freedom on the other hand if the pee gets into local herds by transporting deer pee well i can see how you can have mixed feelings this one is a hard call for sure.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Take back my ban comment regarding feeding and baiting. charlie elk doesn't like bans on most anything. Perhaps there should be s suspension of these activities until we get to the bottom of CWD and other cervid disease causes. Once we let the government "ban" we never see it again.
The urine is different as flounder states there is good science on this. Even your state doesn't regulate it - for the sake of your deer herd do not use it. Many in WI believe urine from captive deer used by hunters may have brought the disease here.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Good post flounder.
PA did the right thing, wish more states would take the steps necessary to stop the spread of CWD.
Deer urine needs to be banned along with feeding and baiting. Or any other unnatural practice that encourages deer to congregate in one area. In areas where deer naturally congregate the deer need to be thinned.

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from flounder wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

this was an excellent move by the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s veterinary consultant, based on sound science. there is nothing political about this. period. you will have these hunters that have to have this stuff to make a kill, or at least they think they do. it's like baiting, or mineral licks, you must ban this until some control is gained here on this disease chronic wasting disease cwd. please see;

Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Detection of CWD Prions in Urine and Saliva of Deer by Transgenic Mouse Bioassay
Detection of CWD Prions in Urine and Saliva of Deer by Transgenic Mouse Bioassay Nicholas J. Haley1, Davis M. Seelig1, Mark D. Zabel1, Glenn C. Telling2, Edward A. Hoover1*

1 Department of Microbiology, Immunology, and Pathology, College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado, United States of America, 2 Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky, United States of America

Abstract Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a prion disease affecting captive and free-ranging cervids (e.g. deer, elk, and moose). The mechanisms of CWD transmission are poorly understood, though bodily fluids are thought to play an important role. Here we report the presence of infectious prions in the urine and saliva of deer with chronic wasting disease (CWD). Prion infectivity was detected by bioassay of concentrated, dialyzed urine and saliva in transgenic mice expressing the cervid PrP gene (Tg[CerPrP] mice). In addition, PrPCWD was detected in pooled and concentrated urine by protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). The concentration of abnormal prion protein in bodily fluids was very low, as indicated by: undetectable PrPCWD levels by traditional assays (western blot, ELISA) and prolonged incubation periods and incomplete TSE attack rates in inoculated Tg(CerPrP) mice (373±3days in 2 of 9 urine-inoculated mice and 342±109 days in 8 of 9 saliva-inoculated mice). These findings help extend our understanding of CWD prion shedding and transmission and portend the detection of infectious prions in body fluids in other prion infections.

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/03/detection-of-cwd-pri...

CWD, GAME FARMS, AND BAITING

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/01/cwd-game-farms-baiti...

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2008/11/commentary-crimes-hu...

ALSO, NOTE MINERAL LICKS A POSSIBLE SOURCE AND TRANSMISSION MODE FOR CWD ;

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/08/third-international-...

http://www.cwd-info.org/pdf/3rd_CWD_Symposium_utah.pdf

Thursday, September 10, 2009

Experimental oral transmission of CWD to red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus): early detection and late stage distribution of protease-resistant protein

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/09/experimental-oral-tr...

Thursday, September 24, 2009
Validation of Use of Rectoanal Mucosa-Associated Lymphoid Tissue for Immunohistochemical Diagnosis of Chronic Wasting Disease in White-Tailed Deer

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/09/validation-of-use-of...

Sunday, October 04, 2009

CWD NEW MEXICO SPREADING SOUTH TO TEXAS 2009

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/10/cwd-new-mexico-sprea...

TSS

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from seadog wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

If the science is sound, and CWD can be spread through doe urine, then it's something we can all live without. I don't know enough about the research to say whether this is an overreaction or a sensable precaution.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Take back my ban comment regarding feeding and baiting. charlie elk doesn't like bans on most anything. Perhaps there should be s suspension of these activities until we get to the bottom of CWD and other cervid disease causes. Once we let the government "ban" we never see it again.
The urine is different as flounder states there is good science on this. Even your state doesn't regulate it - for the sake of your deer herd do not use it. Many in WI believe urine from captive deer used by hunters may have brought the disease here.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Main Entry: ban
Pronunciation: ban
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): banned; ban·ning
Etymology: Middle English bannen to summon, curse, from Old English bannan to summon; akin to Old High German bannan to command, Latin fari to speak, Greek phanai to say, phōnē sound, voice
Date: 12th century
transitive verb
1 archaic : curse
2 : to prohibit especially by legal means ; also : to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of
3 : bar 3c
^^^^Google
Sorry just thought the ban word was very intresting. I only used deer pee once in my life & it didnt help me a lick. On one hand evrey law passed is that much more freedom on the other hand if the pee gets into local herds by transporting deer pee well i can see how you can have mixed feelings this one is a hard call for sure.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from seadog wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

If the science is sound, and CWD can be spread through doe urine, then it's something we can all live without. I don't know enough about the research to say whether this is an overreaction or a sensable precaution.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from flounder wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

this was an excellent move by the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s veterinary consultant, based on sound science. there is nothing political about this. period. you will have these hunters that have to have this stuff to make a kill, or at least they think they do. it's like baiting, or mineral licks, you must ban this until some control is gained here on this disease chronic wasting disease cwd. please see;

Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Detection of CWD Prions in Urine and Saliva of Deer by Transgenic Mouse Bioassay
Detection of CWD Prions in Urine and Saliva of Deer by Transgenic Mouse Bioassay Nicholas J. Haley1, Davis M. Seelig1, Mark D. Zabel1, Glenn C. Telling2, Edward A. Hoover1*

1 Department of Microbiology, Immunology, and Pathology, College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado, United States of America, 2 Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky, United States of America

Abstract Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a prion disease affecting captive and free-ranging cervids (e.g. deer, elk, and moose). The mechanisms of CWD transmission are poorly understood, though bodily fluids are thought to play an important role. Here we report the presence of infectious prions in the urine and saliva of deer with chronic wasting disease (CWD). Prion infectivity was detected by bioassay of concentrated, dialyzed urine and saliva in transgenic mice expressing the cervid PrP gene (Tg[CerPrP] mice). In addition, PrPCWD was detected in pooled and concentrated urine by protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA). The concentration of abnormal prion protein in bodily fluids was very low, as indicated by: undetectable PrPCWD levels by traditional assays (western blot, ELISA) and prolonged incubation periods and incomplete TSE attack rates in inoculated Tg(CerPrP) mice (373±3days in 2 of 9 urine-inoculated mice and 342±109 days in 8 of 9 saliva-inoculated mice). These findings help extend our understanding of CWD prion shedding and transmission and portend the detection of infectious prions in body fluids in other prion infections.

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/03/detection-of-cwd-pri...

CWD, GAME FARMS, AND BAITING

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/01/cwd-game-farms-baiti...

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2008/11/commentary-crimes-hu...

ALSO, NOTE MINERAL LICKS A POSSIBLE SOURCE AND TRANSMISSION MODE FOR CWD ;

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/08/third-international-...

http://www.cwd-info.org/pdf/3rd_CWD_Symposium_utah.pdf

Thursday, September 10, 2009

Experimental oral transmission of CWD to red deer (Cervus elaphus elaphus): early detection and late stage distribution of protease-resistant protein

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/09/experimental-oral-tr...

Thursday, September 24, 2009
Validation of Use of Rectoanal Mucosa-Associated Lymphoid Tissue for Immunohistochemical Diagnosis of Chronic Wasting Disease in White-Tailed Deer

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/09/validation-of-use-of...

Sunday, October 04, 2009

CWD NEW MEXICO SPREADING SOUTH TO TEXAS 2009

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/10/cwd-new-mexico-sprea...

TSS

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from 84pete wrote 4 years 24 weeks ago

I agree w/ Charlie Elk, once it's banned it's gone. Even if it's proven to not be the culprit. In northern Pa the deer herd has been destroyed by the over issueance of doe tags. My family and relatives have hunted the "big woods" of McKean Co for 75 years and I've never seen so few deer. So even if I did use the lure there's no deer to smell it.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Good post flounder.
PA did the right thing, wish more states would take the steps necessary to stop the spread of CWD.
Deer urine needs to be banned along with feeding and baiting. Or any other unnatural practice that encourages deer to congregate in one area. In areas where deer naturally congregate the deer need to be thinned.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 24 weeks ago

djh, you really got me laughing on that one. good post.

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