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January 17, 2010
Expelled After Hunting - 135

 

From News 10 in Sacramento  :

WILLOWS, CA - A 17-year-old Willows student will have the National Rifle Association behind him when he appeals his expulsion from school for having a shotgun in his pick-up truck.

Like many youngsters his age, Gary Tudesko likes to hunt.  "I hunt ducks, geese, all types of waterfowl," said Tudesko.

But last October, his recreational pursuits landed him in trouble at Willows High School.

"I went hunting before school, me and my friend, and I didn't want to be late so I parked off campus at my school," Tudesko said.

Tudesko was in class when he was called to the principal's office. He soon learned why.

"They brought in a private sniffing dog and it alerted on my truck and they found the guns," Tudesko said. The weapons belonged to Tudesko and his friend.

Claiming he was a danger to himself and other students, Tudesko was suspended and eventually handed a year-long expulsion.

His mother, Susan Parisio, said, "What happened to him wasn't right," Tudesko's mother Susan Parisio said. 

Parisio said it's an important distinction that her son's truck was parked on a public street. "I asked the police and the district attorney's office if he did anything wrong and they said no," Parisio said.

However, school officials disagreed. They told Parisio state law gives them "the right to search any of the student's vehicles no matter where they're parked or what they're doing during school hours," she said.

The NRA came to Tudesko's aid, saying school officials are misinterpreting the law.  An NRA lawyer plans to be by Tudesko's side when he appeals his expulsion Tuesday at the Glenn County Office of Education at 10 a.m.

Tudesko said he's eager to return to Willows High and graduate on time with his class. 

"I'm thinking about going into to some type of law enforcement," Tudesko said.

 

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from country boy wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I am a junior in high school and i have parked in the school parking lot every day since i've had a drivers license and had a shotgun and/or rifle in my truck every day i've gone to school, and several other of my hunting friends do this to. The school administration has never given any us trouble about it but i wouldnt be suprised if someday i got called to the office for this. Knowing that never has kept me from keeping a gun in my truck though, because the gun/s are always unloaded with the actions open and i am breaing no laws. And besides, if we were to get suspended that wouldnt that just give us more time to go hunting and fishing? lol

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from 6phunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'VE been reading all the previous post/the way i see it is the misunderstanding arose by trying to define which side{right or left} best helps our rights . IN reality any extreme in one direction or the other is to far from the mainstream of most american opinions.conservatives {left} aka. republicans want to keep things the way they are,liberals{right} want change aka democrats.Somewhere in the middle is how most AMERICAN voters see themselves,and as gun owners we will need help from both sides to protect our rights to the inevitable change that time will bring .

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I don't want to stir things back up, but this forum started with trying to help a kid who got in trouble for having a gun off school property (which charlie updated us on and he got an apology from the school admin.) we started with that and then went to politics. After that we know of the "creative discussion" BTW i voted bo up and pat down the whole way, but that wasn't the time/place to have this convo. Bo did the right thing and offered a private session and Patrick should have accepted. Although we'll probaly never no why he didn't email Bo, we should learn from this for future reference. Bottom line: If there's a problem, email eachother and work it out

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

your right bo we need to move on and help others and do some good deeds on this web site well said young man!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Patrick, I think that is all over. We wasted too much energy there, so we can all go to important stuff to talk about. Yesterday is gone and cannot be recovered. Tomorrow is waiting. I think you will agree that it would be a shame to waste tomorrow crying about yesterday. From my standpoint, we are good to go on.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

well bo glad your weekend was great except for getting up sore they say getting old is not for wimps.dropjhook we all feel the same about our kids glad yours is feeling better kids bounce back very quick.dropjhook as for your last statement your right thats why i apologized to bo i made a mistake and manned up and made it right!

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from Big Lou wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

This is pretty crazy. So is the school saying they can search any student vehicle no matter where it is parked?

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"is" not "isn't"

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

pattrick88, Not so great my son was sick all weekend I sat in the hospital all weekend with him. Thankfuly hes better now too see one of your kids hurting is a humbling experience. They thought he had rsv but he didnt they just made him stay in the hospital until he was feeling better. pattrick I always respect a man who stands up for what he see's as truth but it dosent mean that same man isn't allways right.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, We had an ice storm starting on Thursday and then we got about 8 inches of snow in Norman by Friday evening. In Oklahoma, that much snow shuts the whole state down. I would have loved to go deer hunting, but season's closed. So I just stayed home until Saturday. One of the four guys who go hunting with me, went with me to another hunting buddy's place and scooped his drive and walk. The third guy just had foot surgery and walks with crutches and we knew he could not scoop his walk. And he is a hunting buddy, so we were glad to do it. After I dropped the first guy off, I stopped at a place in Norman called the George M. Sutton Urban Wilderness and walked through it. It was beautiful. I walked around in the quiet and the snow and took some pictures. I am thinking about posting them here because it was absolutely beautiful. All those trees were covered with ice and snow. This year we probably won't lose as many trees as we did in December of 07. There was more snow and not nearly as much ice now as then. It was great.
Sunday I woke up and could barely move, stiff and sore. The last time I scooped that much snow was over Christmas.
Between the Christmas blizzard and this last storm we have received about 19.1 or .2 inches of snow. The last time we received that much snow in this area was the winter of 1947-48. My parents met in that time frame, and I was born in Nebraska, so I don't remember it.
Overall, it was a good weekend. We had a fire in the fireplace, watched movies, fixed a venison stew. Yeah, it was a good weekend.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

whats going on guys did you have a good weekend.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Thanks, I am not all that fond of them. They made us change the plates this year to this new design. So,I had to learn a new tag number. I thought the old one looked just fine.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bo, I really wish my licence plate looked that cool!!!:-]

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH, thank you. There is wisdom in your words. To the others reading this post, I have reacted in a way that some could describe as unseemly. I do not tolerate being accused of the things that I was and I apologize for getting sucked in and fueling this feeding frenzy.
Now, that being said, let's talk some real issues that affect all of us.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

p.s. Bo, how I relized that I became a great basketball player is when I noticed the opposition team would send people to take me down or try & stop me in anyway possible. your a smart man & i know you will understand what the meaning of the comment is....djh

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

dang looks like I missed out on this one. Kody is right no matter if Bo, was from china all what matters is words & his helpfulness & he speaks with truth in his heart thats more then the rest of the 98% of humans who speaks with a agenda. pattrick88, I hope you know I was the one voting you up this whole time I knew you where trying to divide us on this fourm also I knew you where waiting for the 5 stars so when you thought it was the right time to push your agenda you would have some kind of credibility. I was hoping it was me you wanted to play these games with but you chose BO my loss I guess but it was fun reading. My son is sick so I dont have time to vote up bo but I will time soon I hope I dont know when I will have time to check back in so pattrick if you want to exchange some crazy words with me I would love too but just going to have to wait. Bo, keep up the good fight I'm sure we will have more people come on this site with the same agenda in the future as pattrick but we must LIVE ON FOR FREEDOM!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

K.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, please stop this adolescent nonsense, it is getting painful to watch. I don't give a tinker damn if Bo lives in Oklahoma, New Jersey or Kathmandu. I don't see that it is anyone's business one way or another. Furthermore, I don't see how his zip code is dictating his opinions on this forum. It matters to you and no one else, doesn't that tell you something. You need to step back and get a little perspective on this business.
Bo, to bait Patrick any more would be like kicking a guy while he is down. Walk away Bo and Patrick, STAY DOWN!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Charlie, I know why you left this sandbox, someone left it uncovered and the cats found it. And I was digging in the sandbox and now my hands are all... dirty. ;-D

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from seadog wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, I've heard conspiracy theories before but this one is pointless. Please tell me where you live--in case I go there, I'll know not to drink the water.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

And Patrick, you have not emailed me yet, you have some other issues that I have no desire to get into, so rather than say much more about them, I will say, I feel sorry for you, I really do. You are in error and cannot see it, You cannot offer any proof of your allegations because that is all they are. There is no substance to anything you have stated. Get some help.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you posted your email you told me to email you at it you fraud!

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

There is no accounting for some people Bo. They are what they are. Seadog has some good questions for this dude.
Oh well, check your email I am leaving this sandbox.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, suppose you post the link that says that I am in WVa, I posted the one that says I am in OK, put your money where your mouth is. You won't because you can't.
You are irrational and need help.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

charlie elk i have talked to gerry bethge told him what is going on its not good to come on here and make fools of us all!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey charlie elk hes fooled you hes not in oklahoma hes in wallace wva he has lied to every one on this web site if you belive him i feel sorry for all on here!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Thank you Charlie, I have a headache right now. I guess it is my fault for trying to be nice to him.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I have been voting Bo up with + and have been since I joined OL.
Even if charlie elk disagrees; any poster who is polite makes good points,refrains from name calling and does not embarass or attempt to embarass another gets a + from charlie elk.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo im done with you outdoor life needs to boot you off of this web site your a fraud!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, according to http://www.spokeo.com/email/search?e=bjsundling%40gmail.com, I live in OKC, OK. I am ready for your contrite apology. You sir, are no gentleman, so I do not expect one. Being a Demokrat, I don't believe that you know how to admit when you have been wrong. I am just short of resorting toname calling but everything I thought of would have insulted them by lowering the bar to your level. I have changed my mind about one thing, I said earlier that I do not dislike you. Now I cannot say that.
You have confirmed everything that i have always said about libs, rather thn admit they were wrong, they will try to make it their opponents fault. You have lowered yourself to my expectations.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo quit voteing yourself up you fraud!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo that means nothing i have just talked to gerry told him whats going on your in wva.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, I just posted a picture of my truck's license plate, guess what it is from Oklahoma. Do I hear an apology? The FBI can look all they want in West Virginia, I live in Oklahoma. You not only have embarrassed yourself, you have proved yourself to be a FOOL, in all caps.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo where you at you fraud come clean on here and apologize to everyone then you need to go away!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

this is bos e mail adress bjsundling@gmail.com google it hes not in oklahoma hes in wva!hes a fraud!

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from seadog wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, what have you been smoking?

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

outdoor life needs someone to police this web site because bo is not the only imposter on here thats a fact.ill tell you i can clean up this web site for outdoor life i know some people that work for the fbi center in clarksburg wva and i bet i could give them the info on bo and we can find out who he really is.bo your a fake!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey guys all you have to do is google his e mail adress and it tells you where he is its not oaklahoma its wallace wva.bo you are a lier a fraud a poser and a bad conserative!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

One more thing, Patrick, Oklahoma is the Southwest US not the Midwest. You were wrong on that one too.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, Gmail is all over the world. It is free so I use it for places like this. It is not limited to just a few places, anybody in the WORLD who has access to a computer can get a Gmail account and you don't have to tell them where you live. Go to https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=mail&continue=http%3A...
and see for yourself.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Whoever told you that fed you fALSE DATA. Because the only info Gmail has on me is my name. I gave no address. I am not on Facebook or any other social networking site. I have communicated with Gerry Bethge, he sent some info to me in Norman, OK.
You are more wrong about this than you were in any thing else you have ever posted. You sir, are a sore loser and are trying to save face by finding fraud where there is none. A typically Democrat tactic, find a scandal, or make one up. That is mudslinging and it does not become anyone. You have not had the courage to contact me privately so that is fine. You have chosen to demean the captain and now me. Who has tried to help? Not you. WHo was the first to take offense? That would be you. I feel sorry for you, lowering yourself to pettiness to save face.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you are a poser your valid e mail adress is in wallace wva i suggest you come clean you horses arse and apologize to every one on outdoor life. you no more live in the mid west than i do you need to pack your bags and move on!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Never been there, if you tried to look me up, You will have a hard time finding me, my phones are unlisted.The last time I was in WVA, was in 1973, I visited Harper's Ferry, then, me and some army buddies out on a three day pass. I have lived in Oklahoma for the last thirty years. Nice try though.
I looked on Zabasearch and you know there are some Sundlings there, don't know if they are related, odds are, they have never heard of me. My grandparents came to the Us in, the 1870's so call the people you think you have found and ask them.
You have not emailed me, Patrick. I was trying to help you, but if you spend your time trying to discredit me, you will only make a fool of yourself. I realize your ego is damaged and bruised, but if you read Kody's post, you may learn something
Patrick, I do not dislike you, and really would like to help you see some areas that you are blind to, please, email me.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo hows the weather in wallace wva!

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick,
I am not a Republican, I am not a Democrat, I'm not even an American. I'm on the outside looking in. I commented earlier that you guys sure are passionate about your politics. Your particular brand of passion has gotten in the way of good judgement. You recognized that your posts were inappropriate but foolishly squandered the opportunity to clear the air. Each of your attempts to apologize failed with the addition of the word 'but' and what followed. You know from my numerous posts on this forum that I am prepared to disagree with 'anyone' even it entails risking the ire of 'everyone'. However, I recognize the danger of assuming that role too eagerly because I do not wish to characterize myself in that manner. Meaning, there is a time and place but it is seldom the right time or the right place when emotions force the issue. When I put my foot in my mouth I acknowledge my mistake without reservation. No 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts'! Now is the time to get humble and move on.
Yours truly
Kody

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

It is my email address. I would like to discuss some things with you that don't need to take up OL space. If you will respond to me I promise to be courteous and not respond to anything you have say other than in a gentlemanly way. I will be frank but not insulting.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo what is bjsundling@gmail.com

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I grew up in Nebraska, but for the last thirty five years I have lived in Oklahoma. For the record, I do not have Cable TV, so I cannot watch Fox news. I seldom listen to Glenn Beck, I don't have time.
Your premise that there are multiple views to every problem is interesting. Because if the ATC tells the pilot to fly at 9000 feet, there is a concrete, definable altitude as to where to find 9000 feet. It is not up to the pilot to decide what he wants 9000 feet to be.
So it is in life, I fear you are a victim of the contemporary educational/political system which has served to convince people that there are no absolutes. It is called the post modernist idea. It is wrong, there are absolutes. Truth is truth for one and all or it is not true. There can be no untrue truth.
I know that premise is odious to liberals, but they will understand it when they face the Almighty and He will not listen to there opinions as to whether He is or not. It is too late to adjust at that point in time.
Any valuse system, which is moored in a non-fixed anchor will be swept away by any current, just as any ship in a storm will be lost without an anchor that is fixed.
That is my way of saying there is only one truth. If you deny this you cannot find any truth that will last.
Liberals by definition eschew fixed truth. One cannot walk in light if they clings to the darkness and fog of shifting truth. That is why they are lost in darkness. They refuse to walk in the light of truth. They want to use a compass with no fixed North and believe they can run the compass course and get to where they want to go. They are lost and until they admit that cannot be found.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo where are you from.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

thats young man

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

look guys i know this forum is a republican love fest and im the only democrat on here that voices his opinion which makes me crazy i guess because i know im going to get hammered hard for it.but if we only have one point of view then we will never learn anything and it would be real boring if it was all republicans posting.and you guys need to quit listening to the fox mantra and drinking the fox cool aid and listening to glen beck because he was droped on his head one to many times!ha,ha.and the captain im really sorry sir i do respect you and your service youg man.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

To the Captain and to Patrick, could you email me at bjsundling@gmail.com?

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Sorry, there are multiple typos in my last post. My computer is down and I am using my daughter's laptop and I don't have the hang of the change in keyboards. I meant "in context" instead of "is context" and "your words" instead of "you words."

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, you are out of line. You either are refusing to take the Captain's comment is context, or you are misreading what he said, or you are looking for something to take offense at. He has said or done nothing for you to attack him with the accusations you have. You need to apologize for your actions and words, not his taking offense at you words.
What you said was uncalled for, inflammatory, and has not won you any points at all.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Gents, I am done with this post. I am tired of having my allegiance questioned. I will leave before I say something for which I am sorry later.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

the captain i commend your service to our country i thank you very much.im sorry if i have offened you!but when you start the name calling then you have to take it as well as dish it out.when you call a liberal a communist a fascist or socialist then the fight is on and as im the only democrat on here that defends himself i take the good with the bad and i dont like the name calling part but if i get riled enough i resort to that course now and then.as for defining a word i can do that,treason means,a violation of allegiance to ones sovereign,or you dont like that how about treachery!which will work as well.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Churchill had a lot of accurate insights into us Americans. Another one of my favorites "Americans will always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else."
The government here has gotten itself involved in so much of daily life that it is near impossible to discuss any subject without getting political.

Beam me up Scotty

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

From the outside looking in, I have to say you guys are sure passionate about your politics. Winston Churchill once said that if democracy was to survive anyway it would be in America, because the average American may not be able to define democracy but by God, he will die to defend it. That was Churchill's style, a little teasing and a little truth.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

The Captain always a class act.....
Keep it up my friend.
I participated in some of your therapeutic recommendations this morning... I'm feeling much more relaxed now.
In my era it was “dam the torpedoes; full speed ahead.” In this era of "lefties" I’m jousting with a windmill.
Best regards,
charlie

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Roger, that.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Gentlemen,
I am appreciative for all of you. There have been those who have gone before me, and those who will serve after I am too old for this rodeo.
I am nothing special.
To tell the truth, the only reason I picked this as my OL screen name is that it is one of the only printable names my hunting buddies call me (and the other was taken). Coined by one of my cousins, it has followed me to every fishing hole and deer camp I have been to.
I have no problem with dissent. That is what makes the US so incredible. My opinions, in no way inhibit my service and I do not speak for the Army as a whole. I am a soldier. I follow orders.
And, I would add, the ability for soldiers to think freely makes this Army the best in the world. I have had subordinates disagree with me, only to make our plans stronger.
A former commander told me, "Disagreement isn't dissention until a plan is made and an order is issued."

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Bo, I love to read what you have to say! WAR is hell I can tell that is true my race is still showing signs of suffering & we havent been in a war in 100 to 200 yrs. pattrick88, We are not againts the left just because of gun rights there are many issues of major concern with the party. How is a free minded thinker think about a political party that when something goes wrong they start the finger pointing & saying its all his fault not mine there the bad guys not us remember.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Captain and Kody, I appreciate you both and I thank you, Captain for your service, I understand some of the difficulties you may be experiencing and am grateful that there are still men of character who understand the foundations of our country and are willing to serve it in a capacity that may demand their all. I salute you, sir. We all owe you more than most of us know, particularly those who disagree with you. You are helping to ensure that they can continue to disagree. Seems ironic.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Hello Captain, I stayed up late to write my post while you are likely doing yours midday on the other side of the world. Incredible technology especially when it can bring people together in such a manner.
Your truly
Kody

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Charlie Elk, I really do appreciate you and Bo speaking up for me. While I was insulted, I feel that my actions defend my character.
I refuse to trade insults (and while you took exception to Patrick88's comments I would encourage all of us to behave as gentlemen. Children trade insults. Men discuss things with tempered reason and logic.) Please do not take this as a rebuke, as I was taught not to correct my elders.
If Patrick88 wants to call me names he can, believe me I have been called worse. I am just waiting for him to answer the question I posed.
Seeing as he has done nothing but hurl insults, it shows a lack of academic study and thought.
As you have noticed, I have not commented lately on this post. I am not wasting my time in efforts to present logic to those who are not willing to receive it.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Have just read the 70 posts on this subject and am trying to digest it all. Frankly, it has my head bouncing around like a pinball. The school has made a serious mistake and the boy has been punished unjustly, there is a consensus of opinion in that regard. I assume their decision is based on school policy not federal or state law. It comes as no surprise when a group of academics make stupid choices because they are often out of touch with the real world. Yes, that is a generalization but it is one that many of us know to be true. In Canada, we have a socialist party called the New Democrats who take little of the vote across the country as they pose such a threat to those of us who work for our money. Guess which party a teacher in this country is likely to favour? Well versed in the doctrine of the left and consequently completely out of touch with the real world. Their choices outside of the school hallways are often disastrous. The average Liberal is real big on sharing the wealth for the good of all unless it comes from his pocket. I deal with matters such as this fiasco by exercising by rights as a individual to confront the offending party. There are guys who make their living called lawyers to handle the matter. I put my money where my mouth is and I pursue the matter like a bulldog. Such matters don't get resolved quickly so I try to stay dispassionate because patience and determination are requisites of success. I will do so for my family and as a courtesy to the next character caught in such bureaucratic bungling. I am an ethical man and one who will fight for a cause, but I am not so naive as to believe in JUSTICE in today's democracy. There is a process that claims to be a system of justice. It is a process that is driven by money. One works through that process in hopes of getting some closure before their resolve or their money runs out! The most direct route to affecting change is by way of the offending party's wallet. You affect change by making it so damn expensive the offending party can't afford to get it wrong again. In this case I would have the Trustees of that school and the Administration, specifically the Principal, running for cover. No small part of their school policy is a reflection of their idealogical views and it is time to see if they are ready to pay a price for holding such views. So often high ideals are exposed as a sham in the face of any kind of adversity or cost. The Captain is out fighting for his ideals, those responsible for the suspension are not prepared to risk their careers or their bank accounts to fight for their views.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

BTW guys Tudesko as of Jan 22 is back in school with an apology from the administators. This according to NRA news.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I am so disgusted with the post up aways accusing The Captain of treason for stating his truthful opinion. My mind can not imagine the type of person who calls a proud honorable soldier stationed on the front line in time of war keeping the homeland safe a traitor & leaves the comment stand without an apology. Even after The Captain expresses his "personal offense".
You sir partick88 are__________! (please fill in the blank as you all see fit)
And you preach about alienating people?
later,
charlie

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

very well said bo war is not the first resort but the last!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH,
Even our Founding Fathers sought redress in the courts before they resorted to war. Some of these groups are trying to start a war. I believe it was General Sherman who said "War is Hell." Even Robert E. Lee said," It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." and " What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world."
Those who rush to war, know not what they do. Once exposed to the horrors of war the mind of man is never the same. It is a Pandora's box that will release demons never to be tamed again.
Any group making a decision on the worth of a man based, not on character but on skin color or religious heritage is odious to me and, I believe to God. The measure of a man is what is in his heart and only God truly knows what is in there.
No group can lay claim to doing God's will by spreading hate.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey dropjhook i dont think bo said they are all bad i saw a cnn story on a militia group in michigan these people were every day people like you and me the leader of the group worked for the postal service.they were just concerned about the policies of this administration and to be prepared in case something bad happens to our country!

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Bo, You know i have all respect for your wisdom I dont want to sound like I know these groups & really dont dont want to sound like I'm defending them but wasent this countrys founding fathers even once was labeled criminals to the over taxing english. I know geting caught with what he did was extreme. But it is nice to know some people are gearing up for what might be in the future. How does the saying go "a good soldier prepares for war at time of peace". Oh yeah race groups are evil they teach hate & make people forget there is no reason to fight over race because we are all one race "The human race".djh

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

oh i thought you were talking about a militia group you knew of.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

One group is something like the American Resistance Movement.Many are made up of malcontents and people who cannot fit in with normal society. Some, (not all by any means,) target specific groups, either blacks or Jews as being the most popular targets, as the focus of evil in the universe. Many act out with many extra-legal activities, illegal weapons. In the case of the guy arrested recently in Oklahoma he had, I believe it was a stolen US military grenade launcher, (M 79) that the guy claimed his best friend in Iraq gave to him when they were overseas.
Sad, and bad news, gives a bad name to those of us who really want the best for this country, but prefer to see it done legally.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo and dropjhook what groups are you talking about.and hows your day been guys.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH, unfortunately, I am aware of some of those groups. I do not consider them to be patriots, but rabble rousers. Some have willingly engaged in criminal activity on the basis of "patriotism." It was not patriotism, it was criminal. One such young man was arrested in Oklahoma and had in his possession military stolen weapons, I believe it was a grenade launcher, with grenades. Not good.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you have 13 more wise years than me you said it we need to reason with them and convince them to change to our side so our rights dont get stomped on.look at what pmdockins wrote it was reasonable to him but he got hammered for it and know one said hey your veiws were ok but we need to work on parts of it.we need that guy at election time but now he might never come back for us to help him see our point of view.we need guys like you to teach the young pups on here that are of the democratic point of view to see your wisdom bo!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

That was supposed to be "You cannot open an abscess with out using a knife," not suing a knife

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, if we cannot convince those democrats, as you put it, to change their affiliation, it all becomes just a moot point. It means nothing if we lose all that we have as our heritage as Americans. The Demokratic Party is trying to deprive all Americans of their rights under the first four Amendments, and you are worried about not offending those people. Those who are willing to listen to a reasoned point of view must be shown the error and brought to our side.
You cannot open an abscess with out suing a knife to puncture it and there will be pain, but the pus must be drained in order to heal. Consider me to be the knife. It's a dirty, thankless job, but someone has to do it.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

look bo i agree with you on alot of things but i have never voted a strait party ticket in my life when its time to change the system i vote to change it.i dont follow anyone blindly but i dont put up with the left bashing on here because bo we are going to need those democrats that own guns to help us when it comes time to vote this administration out. and you ruck and a few others scare the dems off that come here to voice there opinion.but those guys arent me ill stay and go toe to toe with you bo.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

And I am trying to help you Patrick. You are too tied up in your left leaning (your description) ideology to look at the facts. You claim ownership in something that is antithetical to you affections for the Second Amendment. The left in General wants to take all guns, why do you give them your allegiance?

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you and the captain cant keep blameing the liberals for your failings in life.we can do this till the cows come home its fruitless.we are on the same side when it comes to the lefts trying to take our guns, man im right there with you on this one bo!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, Patrick, Patrick. You've been reading the Lamestream media and listening to the Demokratic party line too much. Bush had no foreknowledge or allowed the attack to happen anymore than Clinton did. Or Carter caused the Tehran hostage situation(He actually helped create the climate that caused that). I know it won't change your mind, but try reading the book. Stop watching CNN, MSNBC and those places. You are drinking their Kool-Aid. If you don't understand the analogy, look up the Jonestown Massacre in the late 70's.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bush letting terrorist attack this country was treason but we know that both parties are to blame for what is happening in this country.i dont want to argue with you bo or the captain i just know we need to work together on saving our gun rights!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Well said, Captain.
For those of you with a political bent (I am one, you may have noticed.) I highly recommend Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism". It makes Libs' heads explode when I mention this book. It is scholarly, well written, and covers thing we see today in our society and government. It also shows how past governments were able to be bamboozled into voting into office people such as Hitler, Mussolini, and the Obamanation.
Your local library should have it available. Well worth the read and very eye opening.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Thanks Bo, I appreciate your comments. As for you, Mr. Patrick88, I take personal offense to your accusations of treason. I would also suggest that you learn the meaning of the word.
It is not treasonous, by any stretch of the imagination, to say that the "liberal" movement of today shares similarities with communistic ideologies. This is simply an academic statement.
Communism was a novel idea that was, overall, impractical. There was nothing inherently evil in it, communism just proved a highly ineffective way of governing people.
Let us take a look at some policies that are in line with a more liberal/communistic mindset. By the way, various communist nations tried the following:
1) Government health care
2) Gun control
3) Greater government control of private industry
Sir, these are just a few examples. If you can intelligently refute this, then please do.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

shooting a president is not the right way vote them out is the right way and give me liberty or give me death is not relevent today!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, you missed the metaphor. As far as the Captain's comments, since when is it treason to correctly identifying problems in the country by their characteristics ? The answer to that is the same as the Libs and their saying Bush ought to be shot wasn't treason, but speaking against the Obamanation is. It is a double standard, sir. Read Patrick Henry's Give me Liberty or Give me Death speech.Read it at http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html
If the truth be treason, as Patrick Henry said "If this be treason, make the most of it!"

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo dont feel sorry for me ill be just fine but you shouldnt suggest genocide for all of the liberals it is unconstitutional.and the captain shouldnt use communism to discrib his own country thats treason!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo i meant that the republicans cant fight against gun control alone your going to need democrats for that fight i didnt see one good thing come from the last administration!

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

The way I see things from my remote area of America is no matter wich way this nation leans on election day's there is one thing that is allways slowly progressing is the loss of individual freedom it allways seems people are quick to tell you "you cant do that" or "you can't be doing this" "you shouldnt do that" or "you shouldn't do this" in America what happen to the land of the free & home of the brave.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I could not have said it better, Bo. For all of those who "lean to the left," please look at what you are leaning on. Liberal principles are nothing more than watered-down communism. Redistribute money from those who have earned it. Take away gun rights for the "common good." Increase government power while decreasing individual rights. These are all hallmarks of communistic, not individualistic ways of thinking.
This country was based on the individual, and I take real issue with anyone trying to take individual rights away from any Amercian. It is by these individual rights that we are protected as a populace.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I have taken this long to respond because I have written almost a half dozen responses and deleted them all.
Patrick, it is not in my power to alienate liberals anywhere. They are the ones who choose to be alienated, and that is because they are uncomfortable with the truth. Those who accuse others of alienating people are by means of the accusation, trying to stop the discussion. When liberals do that, they call it political correctness. It is actually censorship. It stops speech that is protected under the first Amendment. I choose to exercise my right under the first amendment. As I become sixty years old this year, I am not easily deterred from speaking my mind.
You agreed with me that Liberals prefer more governmental intrusion into our lives. The Preamble to the Constitution says the purpose of government is to, and I quote “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…” Anything beyond that is unconstitutional.
The Liberal agenda does much more than that and that would be anathema to our Founding Fathers. The libs do it on the premise of what feels good, not what is legal. We have just seen an illegal takeover of the auto, housing and banking industry, by a corrupt president and congress. Barney Frank refused to allow an investigation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because he said they were sound, just months before they crashed. BTW, he was on their payroll. Can you smell corruption? Then look at what they tried to do with health care. All of these areas had problems because of government regulations put in place that hurt the country. The libs are the same people who say they are out for the little guy, yet they would deprive the little guy of any means to defend himself with gun control, which has only hurt the little guy and helped criminals a lot.
Any alliance with the left in their programs strengthens them and that means giving up your Constitutional rights. If you lean to the left, I am sorry, you are helping to give up the rights you think you have.
That is much like the man in the cage with the tigers, thinking if they will just eat all of the other people first you might make it out alive. The only way to make it out is to kill all of the tigers or get out of the cage. Vote every liberal out of office. There can be no middle ground.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Bo I agree the clear and present danger right now is coming from the elected liberals. They are in power swiftly moving towards full command and control on a whole host of issues. While we fight them to preserve and increase our freedom we must remember during the previous 8 years those elected "conservatives" worked to take away our freedoms.
For example McCain Feingold campaign law- disallowing political speech 60 days before an election. This was clearly unconstitutional, should never have been passed or signed into law. Thank you Supreme Court for my freedom back
The problem we have now rests with the political class no matter their party. There is overwhelming evidence for all to see whichever party is in power wants to control our lives. Each just thinks they can do it better than the other. I have concluded each candidate needs to be evaluated on whether or not they support individual liberty. Most of the time it will be the new crop of candidates rising on the right rather than the left.
later,
charlie

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

hey bo you cant alienate the liberals on this web site young man we have a stake in this fight to i dont agree with every thing the left does or every thing the right does but we all have to stick together on gun control issues. we libs have guns to bo i know your a smart guy when it comes election time we need to vote the bums out that want to take our guns and i will be right there with you to boot them out!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I would say very true,Charlie, but I see the Liberals eroding away those very freedoms every day. We have to see the issues for what they are, to stand up and point it out every time it happens or we will lose them all. I have used Martin Niemoller's quote many times. I will not stand by and let the house burn in order not to make someone offended by the truth.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

It is time we stop thinking of issues in the liberal vs. conservative, red vs. blue, Democrat vs. Republican. Rather we should think (Anti Liberty & Freedom) verses (Pro Liberty & Freedom)
This country does not belong to Democrats nor does it belong to Republicans-
The United States of America belongs to free people.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

pmdockins, the libs always base their arguments on their intentions, never the outcomes. Name one law in the entire US, which restricted guns in any way which has saved lives. You can't. Every mass shooting in the last twenty years was in a place where good intentioned LIBERALS made a gun free zone. In the Virginia Tech shootings, students who had carry permits were threatened by the Liberals with expulsion if they were to carry on campus. That could have stopped the bloodshed.
You say you lean to the left, I am sorry. All of the feel good, government increasing, left leaning policies have served to deprive the American citizen of his Constitutional rights by eroding them away gradually so most people have no clue what has happened. Much of this was done by Liberals and their revisionist history.
I am not trying to hurt your feelings or make you mad. But if your house was on fire would you want me to drive on by and not tell you because it might make you unhappy to miss your favorite program? Didn't think so.
BTW, under the current administration, the entire country is on fire and the LIBS are the arsonists who lit it. Their goal is to burn this country down and create a new one that our Founding Fathers would neither approve of or recognize.

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from MIelkman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

The liberals will continue their fight against us. We must stand up and fight for our rights. Have faith because with faith everything is possible, not always easy, but possible!!

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from monkeyfish wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

In fact, a kid at a local school got kicked out because he had a picture of him with one of his guns on his facebook. Thats just wrong

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from monkeyfish wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Im a highschool student. I take a gerber and a lighter to school everyday. I do not stab anything, i do not flaunt it. I do not smoke, i do not light things on fire. Because of stupid rules placed in our schools, i risk not graduating everyday. Why do i do it, not to be a rebel, but because i am a country boy, and i like to carry those things. I fell safer at school, just knowing i could defend myself. My security officer knows that i carry one, and could care less. And as for the searching the vehicle, lawyers and police must have search warrants, but school officials dont? If you want to check my car for a gun on school grounds, do it. Off school grounds, touch my car and i will do to you what i would do to anybody else touching and rummaging through my car. I will not be happy

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from DRTice wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

My dad was an engineer for the Railroad and I took my boy to work with me one day when I worked near the rail yard. A friend of my Dad's got him a ride on the train and gave him some "Rail Road Spikes" (what they use to secure the rail to the railroad ties). The next day he took them to school to show his friends and got expelled because they said that they were a dangerous weapon. How stupid is that?

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from rcmich wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

All of this is a result of the idiotic "zero tolerance" rules the schools are so fond of. My own son had asthma but wasn't allowed to carry his emergency inhaler at school, even at football practice. It had to be left in the school office. A hell of a lot of good it would do him there if he had an asthma attack on the practice field. I had to attend practice with him and carry it myself just to protect him from the possiblity. Stupid, just stupid.

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from pepgen1 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

The way the idiots interpet the law would even let them search a students vehicle at his place of residence during school hours. NUTS!

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from Chaletaway wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Remember, they are only trying our patience. A typical liberal communist ploy, that unfortunately is working. Keep the ones in office and you will get more of the same.

I am sick of the people that claim they are American that are shoving this crap down the real American peoples throat.

I can hardly wait till they get the new bills in to tax all registered weapons and ammunition.
C

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from dek0609 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

if you didn't know, you can get expelled for a year for having a pocketknife, steak knife, machette, aspirin,advil etc in your car at school. blame the guns, knives on the liberals, the drugs (aspirin) on the conservatives. all of it is stupid.

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from dek0609 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

People push blame everywhere.
used to be you could have a pocket knife but the liberals overreacted!!!
used to be you could carry knitting needles on planes. But the conservatives over reacted!!!
And oddly enough no matter what we do we are no safer because of either

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from plotter wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I think it's a shame. Years ago when Clinton was in office I was forced to give up my FFL license because of a law passed in California regulating Gun businesses within 1000 of schools. Obeying the law I had aquired a FFL to do some minor gunsmithing on my friends and my own guns. My choice was to surrender my license or move from my home of 20 years.

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from speakmymind wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

So the school has "the right to search any of the student's vehicles no matter where they're parked or what they're doing during school hours,". They searched the vehicle parked on a public street. So, according to school officials, that means they could go to students houses and search their vehicles. Something is wrong with this picture. I think a law suite would go a long way against the school district for this. Sometimes it amazes me how people entrusted to "teach" our children can be so ignorant. I was brought up in a different era and belonged to the school sponsored shooting club. Our gun range was in the basement of the school and we brought our own guns. The liberals of today would faint dead away at the thought of that now.

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from mcdddy wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

What a shame this young man is experiencing the flaws of our judicual system. Seems like with all the hub-bub being expressed by the news media, people such as this are being shackled with additional laws being passed with regards to our gun rights. When are we going to get legislation passed that promotes some common sense?? - Seems as though all the libs can think about is how to drum up another law which limits our freedom. And the thing about his vehicle being parked off school property. Where does the scope of their power cease - As far as this is concerned, why stop at his vehicle only - why not inspect every vehicle on the street???? Go figure!

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from rebart wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

They need to sue. The school had no business going into his truck parked on a public street. The kid showed good sense parking off the school grounds and leaving the gun locked in his truck. What are the schools going to do, search every vehicle parked on the streets if they think there is a gun in the vehicle. Schools have no authority over private vehicles parked on public streets. If they think there is a problem they should call the cops. The school officials evidentally have an agenda and/or something against this boy.

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from pmdockins wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Some of you like to blame "the liberals" for everything. I would recommend that you temper your comments. Namely, because I imagine there are a lot people who would agree with the law who are conservatives. I personally, lean to the left, but believe this is a horrible situation. As best I can tell, the kid followed all state laws for the transportation of fire firearms. He is not in trouble with the law and therefore, should not be in trouble with the school. Had he parked on school property...different story. I would hope that all parents, uncles, aunts, etc. out there would want the schools to be a safe place. While I may not agree with the law, I do understand it's intent. The intent is not to violate anyone's 2nd amend. rights, but to keep our children safe. I can't fault them based on intent....I can on implementation.

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

To the Principal:
Sieg Heil! This Principal needs some woodshed time.

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Of course, "reasonableness" is the issue here. As a former teacher/coach and a hunter who has travelled widely, I know there is no good answer to this one. Ilike the scenario of checking the shotgun and car keys. It is fine for sane and responsible people. But most teenagers are challenged for control withe the new levels of hormones coursing through their veins. And they bring their family problems to school as well. Occasionally (as at Columbine) some go crazy and people die. But, I must admit that it wouldn't have mattered where they parked there cars. People like that will kill others with sharp sticks or baseball bats. Anybody who doesn't have a gun doesn't have the benefit of my experience. One of my fellow teachers had ti get a .38 out of the trunk of his car and fire it to survive a PTA meeting. Another was attacked by someone with a baseball bat with nails in it. I was lucky my motorcycle started. Nothing was different at school the next day...

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from cdavis1887 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

If the cops and the DA say he didn't do anything wrong then he didn't and he should not only win his case over the expulsion but he should also sue the school.

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from 6phunter wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Times have certaintly changed,as a youngster I once borrowed 15 dolllars from a history teacher,and when he asked (w hat for?] I told him i was buying a pistol from Jimmy at school ,he loaned me the cash . Today we all know the horrors in our schools and campuses and we all want our children safe .As SCHUNTMAN says though the schools interpation stretches all the way to this kids home ? I think not,if no law was broken by having his guns in a car on public property then common sense tells us the school has overextended thier authority.I think in this instance the student will educate the teachers .6phunter

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from pjdominic wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Thanks to liberal interpretations of the Constitution, a kid can walk into school with a picture of Mao on his shirt, but cannot hold a gun in a car parked on a public street. Having judicial review seems to be nearly as bad as not having it.

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from jacy1515 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I love it when things come around and things have a way of coming around.#3 Connibear.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

yes bo i do agree with you young man the government does regulate us to death they need to stop before we have to use a resperator just to breathe!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Patrick, the people who run these places are mostly libs, and they feel an innate need to control. This is nothing more than an abuse of power which is control carried to excess. The basis of conservatism is to get the government out of our lives, the basis of liberalism is to get government involved in every aspect of our lives. A good example is the food police, politically correct speech, health care, auto manufacturing, a la GM and Chrysler, and the banking industry. In the case of the last three, all of the problems those areas had can be attributed to government regulations causing them.
This case in California is one more example of how they think they can control the lives of those around them.

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from duck101 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

that is just flat out wrong cause really you werent on shcool property or any thing and i brought mine to go after shcool

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

i dont under stand why school systems try to get involved in our constitutional rights most school systems cant even take care of the drug problem in the schools,and they can not even teach the curriculum to these same kids that they want to impose there view of gun control on which is distorted.i say the nra needs to take this school to the wood shed and beat some justice out of them for this young man!

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from elkslayer wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I hope this kid does more than just get his expulsion repealed. I hope he goes after the school administrators that did this, get them fired and replaced by normal people capable of inteligent and reasonable thought.

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from SCHuntman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

According to the school's interpretation they could search his vehicle at his home during school hours. That is a crock!!

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from wv trapper wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

What a shame, glad to see the NRA is helping.

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from Millcrickman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

i'll be glad to report that here in montana Atleast when i graduated last year they had a rule that if you needed to bring your gun that you must drop by the office just let the principal know that it was there and leave your keys with him so nobody could get to it.

that was if you parked on school property.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Unfortunately, I experienced some of this when I was in high school. Our constitutional rights are eroding due to limp-wristed "liberals" (in quotation marks as they are not liberating anyone, just emplacing more restrictions) intent on making everyone as miserable as they are.
I hope young Gary and the NRA take the school district to the cleaners. This is no different than school officials searching his bedroom in his absence. The whole situation is ludicrous.

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

excuse me---*get not het*

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Wow if he parked off school property he shoudn't het in trouble. Obviously tried to obey rules and be on time i think its ridiculous

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

This has happened to kids around here & it is absolutely asinine. After the fuss they are allowed back in school. The school officials should have to pay the legal expenses personally along with being fired.
Heck my school had a shooting team and an indoor gun range.
Trying to talk common sense with these modern day libs is like jousting with a windmill.

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from Yoda wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

That's ridiculous, there was a time when the school officials were hunting as well as sharing hunting stories with the students. That doesn't happen much anymore. Times have changed that's for sure. It's bad enough that at college I have to store my gear off campus cause it's more convenient, but when a kid can't try and obey the school rules and still go down for it that's ridiculous.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

This is still very possible in America there try to make us soft these anti-gunfreakouts! Watch my link & you will remember why we choose freedom & gunrights! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPNfWFbiCOQ

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Leave it to a lib to interpret the law that loosely when it meets their cause. The vehicle was not parked on school property. Sounds like a concerted effort to clearly violate this young man's fourth amendment right in their efforts to also violate his second amendment rights. Where is the ACLU? Aren't they the guarantors of our Constitutional rights?

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from jlduis wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

that is down right ridiculous. i parked at my school with my shotgun in its case plenty of times and i never got in trouble. it was in plain sight too!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Leave it to a lib to interpret the law that loosely when it meets their cause. The vehicle was not parked on school property. Sounds like a concerted effort to clearly violate this young man's fourth amendment right in their efforts to also violate his second amendment rights. Where is the ACLU? Aren't they the guarantors of our Constitutional rights?

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Patrick, the people who run these places are mostly libs, and they feel an innate need to control. This is nothing more than an abuse of power which is control carried to excess. The basis of conservatism is to get the government out of our lives, the basis of liberalism is to get government involved in every aspect of our lives. A good example is the food police, politically correct speech, health care, auto manufacturing, a la GM and Chrysler, and the banking industry. In the case of the last three, all of the problems those areas had can be attributed to government regulations causing them.
This case in California is one more example of how they think they can control the lives of those around them.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, please stop this adolescent nonsense, it is getting painful to watch. I don't give a tinker damn if Bo lives in Oklahoma, New Jersey or Kathmandu. I don't see that it is anyone's business one way or another. Furthermore, I don't see how his zip code is dictating his opinions on this forum. It matters to you and no one else, doesn't that tell you something. You need to step back and get a little perspective on this business.
Bo, to bait Patrick any more would be like kicking a guy while he is down. Walk away Bo and Patrick, STAY DOWN!

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from SCHuntman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

According to the school's interpretation they could search his vehicle at his home during school hours. That is a crock!!

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I have taken this long to respond because I have written almost a half dozen responses and deleted them all.
Patrick, it is not in my power to alienate liberals anywhere. They are the ones who choose to be alienated, and that is because they are uncomfortable with the truth. Those who accuse others of alienating people are by means of the accusation, trying to stop the discussion. When liberals do that, they call it political correctness. It is actually censorship. It stops speech that is protected under the first Amendment. I choose to exercise my right under the first amendment. As I become sixty years old this year, I am not easily deterred from speaking my mind.
You agreed with me that Liberals prefer more governmental intrusion into our lives. The Preamble to the Constitution says the purpose of government is to, and I quote “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…” Anything beyond that is unconstitutional.
The Liberal agenda does much more than that and that would be anathema to our Founding Fathers. The libs do it on the premise of what feels good, not what is legal. We have just seen an illegal takeover of the auto, housing and banking industry, by a corrupt president and congress. Barney Frank refused to allow an investigation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because he said they were sound, just months before they crashed. BTW, he was on their payroll. Can you smell corruption? Then look at what they tried to do with health care. All of these areas had problems because of government regulations put in place that hurt the country. The libs are the same people who say they are out for the little guy, yet they would deprive the little guy of any means to defend himself with gun control, which has only hurt the little guy and helped criminals a lot.
Any alliance with the left in their programs strengthens them and that means giving up your Constitutional rights. If you lean to the left, I am sorry, you are helping to give up the rights you think you have.
That is much like the man in the cage with the tigers, thinking if they will just eat all of the other people first you might make it out alive. The only way to make it out is to kill all of the tigers or get out of the cage. Vote every liberal out of office. There can be no middle ground.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

This has happened to kids around here & it is absolutely asinine. After the fuss they are allowed back in school. The school officials should have to pay the legal expenses personally along with being fired.
Heck my school had a shooting team and an indoor gun range.
Trying to talk common sense with these modern day libs is like jousting with a windmill.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Bo I agree the clear and present danger right now is coming from the elected liberals. They are in power swiftly moving towards full command and control on a whole host of issues. While we fight them to preserve and increase our freedom we must remember during the previous 8 years those elected "conservatives" worked to take away our freedoms.
For example McCain Feingold campaign law- disallowing political speech 60 days before an election. This was clearly unconstitutional, should never have been passed or signed into law. Thank you Supreme Court for my freedom back
The problem we have now rests with the political class no matter their party. There is overwhelming evidence for all to see whichever party is in power wants to control our lives. Each just thinks they can do it better than the other. I have concluded each candidate needs to be evaluated on whether or not they support individual liberty. Most of the time it will be the new crop of candidates rising on the right rather than the left.
later,
charlie

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

This is still very possible in America there try to make us soft these anti-gunfreakouts! Watch my link & you will remember why we choose freedom & gunrights! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPNfWFbiCOQ

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

dang looks like I missed out on this one. Kody is right no matter if Bo, was from china all what matters is words & his helpfulness & he speaks with truth in his heart thats more then the rest of the 98% of humans who speaks with a agenda. pattrick88, I hope you know I was the one voting you up this whole time I knew you where trying to divide us on this fourm also I knew you where waiting for the 5 stars so when you thought it was the right time to push your agenda you would have some kind of credibility. I was hoping it was me you wanted to play these games with but you chose BO my loss I guess but it was fun reading. My son is sick so I dont have time to vote up bo but I will time soon I hope I dont know when I will have time to check back in so pattrick if you want to exchange some crazy words with me I would love too but just going to have to wait. Bo, keep up the good fight I'm sure we will have more people come on this site with the same agenda in the future as pattrick but we must LIVE ON FOR FREEDOM!

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from elkslayer wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I hope this kid does more than just get his expulsion repealed. I hope he goes after the school administrators that did this, get them fired and replaced by normal people capable of inteligent and reasonable thought.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

It is time we stop thinking of issues in the liberal vs. conservative, red vs. blue, Democrat vs. Republican. Rather we should think (Anti Liberty & Freedom) verses (Pro Liberty & Freedom)
This country does not belong to Democrats nor does it belong to Republicans-
The United States of America belongs to free people.

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from speakmymind wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

So the school has "the right to search any of the student's vehicles no matter where they're parked or what they're doing during school hours,". They searched the vehicle parked on a public street. So, according to school officials, that means they could go to students houses and search their vehicles. Something is wrong with this picture. I think a law suite would go a long way against the school district for this. Sometimes it amazes me how people entrusted to "teach" our children can be so ignorant. I was brought up in a different era and belonged to the school sponsored shooting club. Our gun range was in the basement of the school and we brought our own guns. The liberals of today would faint dead away at the thought of that now.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Unfortunately, I experienced some of this when I was in high school. Our constitutional rights are eroding due to limp-wristed "liberals" (in quotation marks as they are not liberating anyone, just emplacing more restrictions) intent on making everyone as miserable as they are.
I hope young Gary and the NRA take the school district to the cleaners. This is no different than school officials searching his bedroom in his absence. The whole situation is ludicrous.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

pmdockins, the libs always base their arguments on their intentions, never the outcomes. Name one law in the entire US, which restricted guns in any way which has saved lives. You can't. Every mass shooting in the last twenty years was in a place where good intentioned LIBERALS made a gun free zone. In the Virginia Tech shootings, students who had carry permits were threatened by the Liberals with expulsion if they were to carry on campus. That could have stopped the bloodshed.
You say you lean to the left, I am sorry. All of the feel good, government increasing, left leaning policies have served to deprive the American citizen of his Constitutional rights by eroding them away gradually so most people have no clue what has happened. Much of this was done by Liberals and their revisionist history.
I am not trying to hurt your feelings or make you mad. But if your house was on fire would you want me to drive on by and not tell you because it might make you unhappy to miss your favorite program? Didn't think so.
BTW, under the current administration, the entire country is on fire and the LIBS are the arsonists who lit it. Their goal is to burn this country down and create a new one that our Founding Fathers would neither approve of or recognize.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Captain and Kody, I appreciate you both and I thank you, Captain for your service, I understand some of the difficulties you may be experiencing and am grateful that there are still men of character who understand the foundations of our country and are willing to serve it in a capacity that may demand their all. I salute you, sir. We all owe you more than most of us know, particularly those who disagree with you. You are helping to ensure that they can continue to disagree. Seems ironic.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Thank you Charlie, I have a headache right now. I guess it is my fault for trying to be nice to him.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH, thank you. There is wisdom in your words. To the others reading this post, I have reacted in a way that some could describe as unseemly. I do not tolerate being accused of the things that I was and I apologize for getting sucked in and fueling this feeding frenzy.
Now, that being said, let's talk some real issues that affect all of us.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

The Captain always a class act.....
Keep it up my friend.
I participated in some of your therapeutic recommendations this morning... I'm feeling much more relaxed now.
In my era it was “dam the torpedoes; full speed ahead.” In this era of "lefties" I’m jousting with a windmill.
Best regards,
charlie

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Churchill had a lot of accurate insights into us Americans. Another one of my favorites "Americans will always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else."
The government here has gotten itself involved in so much of daily life that it is near impossible to discuss any subject without getting political.

Beam me up Scotty

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I have been voting Bo up with + and have been since I joined OL.
Even if charlie elk disagrees; any poster who is polite makes good points,refrains from name calling and does not embarass or attempt to embarass another gets a + from charlie elk.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

The way I see things from my remote area of America is no matter wich way this nation leans on election day's there is one thing that is allways slowly progressing is the loss of individual freedom it allways seems people are quick to tell you "you cant do that" or "you can't be doing this" "you shouldnt do that" or "you shouldn't do this" in America what happen to the land of the free & home of the brave.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

p.s. Bo, how I relized that I became a great basketball player is when I noticed the opposition team would send people to take me down or try & stop me in anyway possible. your a smart man & i know you will understand what the meaning of the comment is....djh

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Have just read the 70 posts on this subject and am trying to digest it all. Frankly, it has my head bouncing around like a pinball. The school has made a serious mistake and the boy has been punished unjustly, there is a consensus of opinion in that regard. I assume their decision is based on school policy not federal or state law. It comes as no surprise when a group of academics make stupid choices because they are often out of touch with the real world. Yes, that is a generalization but it is one that many of us know to be true. In Canada, we have a socialist party called the New Democrats who take little of the vote across the country as they pose such a threat to those of us who work for our money. Guess which party a teacher in this country is likely to favour? Well versed in the doctrine of the left and consequently completely out of touch with the real world. Their choices outside of the school hallways are often disastrous. The average Liberal is real big on sharing the wealth for the good of all unless it comes from his pocket. I deal with matters such as this fiasco by exercising by rights as a individual to confront the offending party. There are guys who make their living called lawyers to handle the matter. I put my money where my mouth is and I pursue the matter like a bulldog. Such matters don't get resolved quickly so I try to stay dispassionate because patience and determination are requisites of success. I will do so for my family and as a courtesy to the next character caught in such bureaucratic bungling. I am an ethical man and one who will fight for a cause, but I am not so naive as to believe in JUSTICE in today's democracy. There is a process that claims to be a system of justice. It is a process that is driven by money. One works through that process in hopes of getting some closure before their resolve or their money runs out! The most direct route to affecting change is by way of the offending party's wallet. You affect change by making it so damn expensive the offending party can't afford to get it wrong again. In this case I would have the Trustees of that school and the Administration, specifically the Principal, running for cover. No small part of their school policy is a reflection of their idealogical views and it is time to see if they are ready to pay a price for holding such views. So often high ideals are exposed as a sham in the face of any kind of adversity or cost. The Captain is out fighting for his ideals, those responsible for the suspension are not prepared to risk their careers or their bank accounts to fight for their views.

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from wv trapper wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

What a shame, glad to see the NRA is helping.

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Wow if he parked off school property he shoudn't het in trouble. Obviously tried to obey rules and be on time i think its ridiculous

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from MIelkman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

The liberals will continue their fight against us. We must stand up and fight for our rights. Have faith because with faith everything is possible, not always easy, but possible!!

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I could not have said it better, Bo. For all of those who "lean to the left," please look at what you are leaning on. Liberal principles are nothing more than watered-down communism. Redistribute money from those who have earned it. Take away gun rights for the "common good." Increase government power while decreasing individual rights. These are all hallmarks of communistic, not individualistic ways of thinking.
This country was based on the individual, and I take real issue with anyone trying to take individual rights away from any Amercian. It is by these individual rights that we are protected as a populace.

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from jlduis wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

that is down right ridiculous. i parked at my school with my shotgun in its case plenty of times and i never got in trouble. it was in plain sight too!

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from mcdddy wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

What a shame this young man is experiencing the flaws of our judicual system. Seems like with all the hub-bub being expressed by the news media, people such as this are being shackled with additional laws being passed with regards to our gun rights. When are we going to get legislation passed that promotes some common sense?? - Seems as though all the libs can think about is how to drum up another law which limits our freedom. And the thing about his vehicle being parked off school property. Where does the scope of their power cease - As far as this is concerned, why stop at his vehicle only - why not inspect every vehicle on the street???? Go figure!

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from Millcrickman wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

i'll be glad to report that here in montana Atleast when i graduated last year they had a rule that if you needed to bring your gun that you must drop by the office just let the principal know that it was there and leave your keys with him so nobody could get to it.

that was if you parked on school property.

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from rebart wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

They need to sue. The school had no business going into his truck parked on a public street. The kid showed good sense parking off the school grounds and leaving the gun locked in his truck. What are the schools going to do, search every vehicle parked on the streets if they think there is a gun in the vehicle. Schools have no authority over private vehicles parked on public streets. If they think there is a problem they should call the cops. The school officials evidentally have an agenda and/or something against this boy.

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from 6phunter wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Times have certaintly changed,as a youngster I once borrowed 15 dolllars from a history teacher,and when he asked (w hat for?] I told him i was buying a pistol from Jimmy at school ,he loaned me the cash . Today we all know the horrors in our schools and campuses and we all want our children safe .As SCHUNTMAN says though the schools interpation stretches all the way to this kids home ? I think not,if no law was broken by having his guns in a car on public property then common sense tells us the school has overextended thier authority.I think in this instance the student will educate the teachers .6phunter

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from Yoda wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

That's ridiculous, there was a time when the school officials were hunting as well as sharing hunting stories with the students. That doesn't happen much anymore. Times have changed that's for sure. It's bad enough that at college I have to store my gear off campus cause it's more convenient, but when a kid can't try and obey the school rules and still go down for it that's ridiculous.

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from jacy1515 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I love it when things come around and things have a way of coming around.#3 Connibear.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I would say very true,Charlie, but I see the Liberals eroding away those very freedoms every day. We have to see the issues for what they are, to stand up and point it out every time it happens or we will lose them all. I have used Martin Niemoller's quote many times. I will not stand by and let the house burn in order not to make someone offended by the truth.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Well said, Captain.
For those of you with a political bent (I am one, you may have noticed.) I highly recommend Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism". It makes Libs' heads explode when I mention this book. It is scholarly, well written, and covers thing we see today in our society and government. It also shows how past governments were able to be bamboozled into voting into office people such as Hitler, Mussolini, and the Obamanation.
Your local library should have it available. Well worth the read and very eye opening.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

And I am trying to help you Patrick. You are too tied up in your left leaning (your description) ideology to look at the facts. You claim ownership in something that is antithetical to you affections for the Second Amendment. The left in General wants to take all guns, why do you give them your allegiance?

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH,
Even our Founding Fathers sought redress in the courts before they resorted to war. Some of these groups are trying to start a war. I believe it was General Sherman who said "War is Hell." Even Robert E. Lee said," It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." and " What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world."
Those who rush to war, know not what they do. Once exposed to the horrors of war the mind of man is never the same. It is a Pandora's box that will release demons never to be tamed again.
Any group making a decision on the worth of a man based, not on character but on skin color or religious heritage is odious to me and, I believe to God. The measure of a man is what is in his heart and only God truly knows what is in there.
No group can lay claim to doing God's will by spreading hate.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Roger, that.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, you are out of line. You either are refusing to take the Captain's comment is context, or you are misreading what he said, or you are looking for something to take offense at. He has said or done nothing for you to attack him with the accusations you have. You need to apologize for your actions and words, not his taking offense at you words.
What you said was uncalled for, inflammatory, and has not won you any points at all.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Whoever told you that fed you fALSE DATA. Because the only info Gmail has on me is my name. I gave no address. I am not on Facebook or any other social networking site. I have communicated with Gerry Bethge, he sent some info to me in Norman, OK.
You are more wrong about this than you were in any thing else you have ever posted. You sir, are a sore loser and are trying to save face by finding fraud where there is none. A typically Democrat tactic, find a scandal, or make one up. That is mudslinging and it does not become anyone. You have not had the courage to contact me privately so that is fine. You have chosen to demean the captain and now me. Who has tried to help? Not you. WHo was the first to take offense? That would be you. I feel sorry for you, lowering yourself to pettiness to save face.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, I just posted a picture of my truck's license plate, guess what it is from Oklahoma. Do I hear an apology? The FBI can look all they want in West Virginia, I live in Oklahoma. You not only have embarrassed yourself, you have proved yourself to be a FOOL, in all caps.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, according to http://www.spokeo.com/email/search?e=bjsundling%40gmail.com, I live in OKC, OK. I am ready for your contrite apology. You sir, are no gentleman, so I do not expect one. Being a Demokrat, I don't believe that you know how to admit when you have been wrong. I am just short of resorting toname calling but everything I thought of would have insulted them by lowering the bar to your level. I have changed my mind about one thing, I said earlier that I do not dislike you. Now I cannot say that.
You have confirmed everything that i have always said about libs, rather thn admit they were wrong, they will try to make it their opponents fault. You have lowered yourself to my expectations.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, suppose you post the link that says that I am in WVa, I posted the one that says I am in OK, put your money where your mouth is. You won't because you can't.
You are irrational and need help.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

And Patrick, you have not emailed me yet, you have some other issues that I have no desire to get into, so rather than say much more about them, I will say, I feel sorry for you, I really do. You are in error and cannot see it, You cannot offer any proof of your allegations because that is all they are. There is no substance to anything you have stated. Get some help.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Charlie, I know why you left this sandbox, someone left it uncovered and the cats found it. And I was digging in the sandbox and now my hands are all... dirty. ;-D

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, We had an ice storm starting on Thursday and then we got about 8 inches of snow in Norman by Friday evening. In Oklahoma, that much snow shuts the whole state down. I would have loved to go deer hunting, but season's closed. So I just stayed home until Saturday. One of the four guys who go hunting with me, went with me to another hunting buddy's place and scooped his drive and walk. The third guy just had foot surgery and walks with crutches and we knew he could not scoop his walk. And he is a hunting buddy, so we were glad to do it. After I dropped the first guy off, I stopped at a place in Norman called the George M. Sutton Urban Wilderness and walked through it. It was beautiful. I walked around in the quiet and the snow and took some pictures. I am thinking about posting them here because it was absolutely beautiful. All those trees were covered with ice and snow. This year we probably won't lose as many trees as we did in December of 07. There was more snow and not nearly as much ice now as then. It was great.
Sunday I woke up and could barely move, stiff and sore. The last time I scooped that much snow was over Christmas.
Between the Christmas blizzard and this last storm we have received about 19.1 or .2 inches of snow. The last time we received that much snow in this area was the winter of 1947-48. My parents met in that time frame, and I was born in Nebraska, so I don't remember it.
Overall, it was a good weekend. We had a fire in the fireplace, watched movies, fixed a venison stew. Yeah, it was a good weekend.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Patrick, I think that is all over. We wasted too much energy there, so we can all go to important stuff to talk about. Yesterday is gone and cannot be recovered. Tomorrow is waiting. I think you will agree that it would be a shame to waste tomorrow crying about yesterday. From my standpoint, we are good to go on.

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from pepgen1 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

The way the idiots interpet the law would even let them search a students vehicle at his place of residence during school hours. NUTS!

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I am so disgusted with the post up aways accusing The Captain of treason for stating his truthful opinion. My mind can not imagine the type of person who calls a proud honorable soldier stationed on the front line in time of war keeping the homeland safe a traitor & leaves the comment stand without an apology. Even after The Captain expresses his "personal offense".
You sir partick88 are__________! (please fill in the blank as you all see fit)
And you preach about alienating people?
later,
charlie

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

There is no accounting for some people Bo. They are what they are. Seadog has some good questions for this dude.
Oh well, check your email I am leaving this sandbox.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, I've heard conspiracy theories before but this one is pointless. Please tell me where you live--in case I go there, I'll know not to drink the water.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Bo, You know i have all respect for your wisdom I dont want to sound like I know these groups & really dont dont want to sound like I'm defending them but wasent this countrys founding fathers even once was labeled criminals to the over taxing english. I know geting caught with what he did was extreme. But it is nice to know some people are gearing up for what might be in the future. How does the saying go "a good soldier prepares for war at time of peace". Oh yeah race groups are evil they teach hate & make people forget there is no reason to fight over race because we are all one race "The human race".djh

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

pattrick88, Not so great my son was sick all weekend I sat in the hospital all weekend with him. Thankfuly hes better now too see one of your kids hurting is a humbling experience. They thought he had rsv but he didnt they just made him stay in the hospital until he was feeling better. pattrick I always respect a man who stands up for what he see's as truth but it dosent mean that same man isn't allways right.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

From the outside looking in, I have to say you guys are sure passionate about your politics. Winston Churchill once said that if democracy was to survive anyway it would be in America, because the average American may not be able to define democracy but by God, he will die to defend it. That was Churchill's style, a little teasing and a little truth.

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick,
I am not a Republican, I am not a Democrat, I'm not even an American. I'm on the outside looking in. I commented earlier that you guys sure are passionate about your politics. Your particular brand of passion has gotten in the way of good judgement. You recognized that your posts were inappropriate but foolishly squandered the opportunity to clear the air. Each of your attempts to apologize failed with the addition of the word 'but' and what followed. You know from my numerous posts on this forum that I am prepared to disagree with 'anyone' even it entails risking the ire of 'everyone'. However, I recognize the danger of assuming that role too eagerly because I do not wish to characterize myself in that manner. Meaning, there is a time and place but it is seldom the right time or the right place when emotions force the issue. When I put my foot in my mouth I acknowledge my mistake without reservation. No 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts'! Now is the time to get humble and move on.
Yours truly
Kody

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from Chaletaway wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Remember, they are only trying our patience. A typical liberal communist ploy, that unfortunately is working. Keep the ones in office and you will get more of the same.

I am sick of the people that claim they are American that are shoving this crap down the real American peoples throat.

I can hardly wait till they get the new bills in to tax all registered weapons and ammunition.
C

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

i dont under stand why school systems try to get involved in our constitutional rights most school systems cant even take care of the drug problem in the schools,and they can not even teach the curriculum to these same kids that they want to impose there view of gun control on which is distorted.i say the nra needs to take this school to the wood shed and beat some justice out of them for this young man!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

your right bo we need to move on and help others and do some good deeds on this web site well said young man!

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from pjdominic wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Thanks to liberal interpretations of the Constitution, a kid can walk into school with a picture of Mao on his shirt, but cannot hold a gun in a car parked on a public street. Having judicial review seems to be nearly as bad as not having it.

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from monkeyfish wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Im a highschool student. I take a gerber and a lighter to school everyday. I do not stab anything, i do not flaunt it. I do not smoke, i do not light things on fire. Because of stupid rules placed in our schools, i risk not graduating everyday. Why do i do it, not to be a rebel, but because i am a country boy, and i like to carry those things. I fell safer at school, just knowing i could defend myself. My security officer knows that i carry one, and could care less. And as for the searching the vehicle, lawyers and police must have search warrants, but school officials dont? If you want to check my car for a gun on school grounds, do it. Off school grounds, touch my car and i will do to you what i would do to anybody else touching and rummaging through my car. I will not be happy

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from monkeyfish wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

In fact, a kid at a local school got kicked out because he had a picture of him with one of his guns on his facebook. Thats just wrong

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from cdavis1887 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

If the cops and the DA say he didn't do anything wrong then he didn't and he should not only win his case over the expulsion but he should also sue the school.

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from duck101 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

that is just flat out wrong cause really you werent on shcool property or any thing and i brought mine to go after shcool

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

excuse me---*get not het*

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from abfreddie64 wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I don't want to stir things back up, but this forum started with trying to help a kid who got in trouble for having a gun off school property (which charlie updated us on and he got an apology from the school admin.) we started with that and then went to politics. After that we know of the "creative discussion" BTW i voted bo up and pat down the whole way, but that wasn't the time/place to have this convo. Bo did the right thing and offered a private session and Patrick should have accepted. Although we'll probaly never no why he didn't email Bo, we should learn from this for future reference. Bottom line: If there's a problem, email eachother and work it out

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Charlie Elk, I really do appreciate you and Bo speaking up for me. While I was insulted, I feel that my actions defend my character.
I refuse to trade insults (and while you took exception to Patrick88's comments I would encourage all of us to behave as gentlemen. Children trade insults. Men discuss things with tempered reason and logic.) Please do not take this as a rebuke, as I was taught not to correct my elders.
If Patrick88 wants to call me names he can, believe me I have been called worse. I am just waiting for him to answer the question I posed.
Seeing as he has done nothing but hurl insults, it shows a lack of academic study and thought.
As you have noticed, I have not commented lately on this post. I am not wasting my time in efforts to present logic to those who are not willing to receive it.

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Gentlemen,
I am appreciative for all of you. There have been those who have gone before me, and those who will serve after I am too old for this rodeo.
I am nothing special.
To tell the truth, the only reason I picked this as my OL screen name is that it is one of the only printable names my hunting buddies call me (and the other was taken). Coined by one of my cousins, it has followed me to every fishing hole and deer camp I have been to.
I have no problem with dissent. That is what makes the US so incredible. My opinions, in no way inhibit my service and I do not speak for the Army as a whole. I am a soldier. I follow orders.
And, I would add, the ability for soldiers to think freely makes this Army the best in the world. I have had subordinates disagree with me, only to make our plans stronger.
A former commander told me, "Disagreement isn't dissention until a plan is made and an order is issued."

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Gents, I am done with this post. I am tired of having my allegiance questioned. I will leave before I say something for which I am sorry later.

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from plotter wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I think it's a shame. Years ago when Clinton was in office I was forced to give up my FFL license because of a law passed in California regulating Gun businesses within 1000 of schools. Obeying the law I had aquired a FFL to do some minor gunsmithing on my friends and my own guns. My choice was to surrender my license or move from my home of 20 years.

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from DRTice wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

My dad was an engineer for the Railroad and I took my boy to work with me one day when I worked near the rail yard. A friend of my Dad's got him a ride on the train and gave him some "Rail Road Spikes" (what they use to secure the rail to the railroad ties). The next day he took them to school to show his friends and got expelled because they said that they were a dangerous weapon. How stupid is that?

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from 6phunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'VE been reading all the previous post/the way i see it is the misunderstanding arose by trying to define which side{right or left} best helps our rights . IN reality any extreme in one direction or the other is to far from the mainstream of most american opinions.conservatives {left} aka. republicans want to keep things the way they are,liberals{right} want change aka democrats.Somewhere in the middle is how most AMERICAN voters see themselves,and as gun owners we will need help from both sides to protect our rights to the inevitable change that time will bring .

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, you missed the metaphor. As far as the Captain's comments, since when is it treason to correctly identifying problems in the country by their characteristics ? The answer to that is the same as the Libs and their saying Bush ought to be shot wasn't treason, but speaking against the Obamanation is. It is a double standard, sir. Read Patrick Henry's Give me Liberty or Give me Death speech.Read it at http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html
If the truth be treason, as Patrick Henry said "If this be treason, make the most of it!"

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, Patrick, Patrick. You've been reading the Lamestream media and listening to the Demokratic party line too much. Bush had no foreknowledge or allowed the attack to happen anymore than Clinton did. Or Carter caused the Tehran hostage situation(He actually helped create the climate that caused that). I know it won't change your mind, but try reading the book. Stop watching CNN, MSNBC and those places. You are drinking their Kool-Aid. If you don't understand the analogy, look up the Jonestown Massacre in the late 70's.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, if we cannot convince those democrats, as you put it, to change their affiliation, it all becomes just a moot point. It means nothing if we lose all that we have as our heritage as Americans. The Demokratic Party is trying to deprive all Americans of their rights under the first four Amendments, and you are worried about not offending those people. Those who are willing to listen to a reasoned point of view must be shown the error and brought to our side.
You cannot open an abscess with out suing a knife to puncture it and there will be pain, but the pus must be drained in order to heal. Consider me to be the knife. It's a dirty, thankless job, but someone has to do it.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

DJH, unfortunately, I am aware of some of those groups. I do not consider them to be patriots, but rabble rousers. Some have willingly engaged in criminal activity on the basis of "patriotism." It was not patriotism, it was criminal. One such young man was arrested in Oklahoma and had in his possession military stolen weapons, I believe it was a grenade launcher, with grenades. Not good.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

One group is something like the American Resistance Movement.Many are made up of malcontents and people who cannot fit in with normal society. Some, (not all by any means,) target specific groups, either blacks or Jews as being the most popular targets, as the focus of evil in the universe. Many act out with many extra-legal activities, illegal weapons. In the case of the guy arrested recently in Oklahoma he had, I believe it was a stolen US military grenade launcher, (M 79) that the guy claimed his best friend in Iraq gave to him when they were overseas.
Sad, and bad news, gives a bad name to those of us who really want the best for this country, but prefer to see it done legally.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

I grew up in Nebraska, but for the last thirty five years I have lived in Oklahoma. For the record, I do not have Cable TV, so I cannot watch Fox news. I seldom listen to Glenn Beck, I don't have time.
Your premise that there are multiple views to every problem is interesting. Because if the ATC tells the pilot to fly at 9000 feet, there is a concrete, definable altitude as to where to find 9000 feet. It is not up to the pilot to decide what he wants 9000 feet to be.
So it is in life, I fear you are a victim of the contemporary educational/political system which has served to convince people that there are no absolutes. It is called the post modernist idea. It is wrong, there are absolutes. Truth is truth for one and all or it is not true. There can be no untrue truth.
I know that premise is odious to liberals, but they will understand it when they face the Almighty and He will not listen to there opinions as to whether He is or not. It is too late to adjust at that point in time.
Any valuse system, which is moored in a non-fixed anchor will be swept away by any current, just as any ship in a storm will be lost without an anchor that is fixed.
That is my way of saying there is only one truth. If you deny this you cannot find any truth that will last.
Liberals by definition eschew fixed truth. One cannot walk in light if they clings to the darkness and fog of shifting truth. That is why they are lost in darkness. They refuse to walk in the light of truth. They want to use a compass with no fixed North and believe they can run the compass course and get to where they want to go. They are lost and until they admit that cannot be found.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, Gmail is all over the world. It is free so I use it for places like this. It is not limited to just a few places, anybody in the WORLD who has access to a computer can get a Gmail account and you don't have to tell them where you live. Go to https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=mail&continue=http%3A...
and see for yourself.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

One more thing, Patrick, Oklahoma is the Southwest US not the Midwest. You were wrong on that one too.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Thanks, I am not all that fond of them. They made us change the plates this year to this new design. So,I had to learn a new tag number. I thought the old one looked just fine.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

BTW guys Tudesko as of Jan 22 is back in school with an apology from the administators. This according to NRA news.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Patrick, what have you been smoking?

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Bo, I love to read what you have to say! WAR is hell I can tell that is true my race is still showing signs of suffering & we havent been in a war in 100 to 200 yrs. pattrick88, We are not againts the left just because of gun rights there are many issues of major concern with the party. How is a free minded thinker think about a political party that when something goes wrong they start the finger pointing & saying its all his fault not mine there the bad guys not us remember.

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bo, I really wish my licence plate looked that cool!!!:-]

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from www.dropjhook.com wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"is" not "isn't"

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from Kody wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Hello Captain, I stayed up late to write my post while you are likely doing yours midday on the other side of the world. Incredible technology especially when it can bring people together in such a manner.
Your truly
Kody

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from rcmich wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

All of this is a result of the idiotic "zero tolerance" rules the schools are so fond of. My own son had asthma but wasn't allowed to carry his emergency inhaler at school, even at football practice. It had to be left in the school office. A hell of a lot of good it would do him there if he had an asthma attack on the practice field. I had to attend practice with him and carry it myself just to protect him from the possiblity. Stupid, just stupid.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

yes bo i do agree with you young man the government does regulate us to death they need to stop before we have to use a resperator just to breathe!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo and dropjhook what groups are you talking about.and hows your day been guys.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey dropjhook i dont think bo said they are all bad i saw a cnn story on a militia group in michigan these people were every day people like you and me the leader of the group worked for the postal service.they were just concerned about the policies of this administration and to be prepared in case something bad happens to our country!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

very well said bo war is not the first resort but the last!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo what is bjsundling@gmail.com

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

well bo glad your weekend was great except for getting up sore they say getting old is not for wimps.dropjhook we all feel the same about our kids glad yours is feeling better kids bounce back very quick.dropjhook as for your last statement your right thats why i apologized to bo i made a mistake and manned up and made it right!

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from Big Lou wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

This is pretty crazy. So is the school saying they can search any student vehicle no matter where it is parked?

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from The Captain wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Thanks Bo, I appreciate your comments. As for you, Mr. Patrick88, I take personal offense to your accusations of treason. I would also suggest that you learn the meaning of the word.
It is not treasonous, by any stretch of the imagination, to say that the "liberal" movement of today shares similarities with communistic ideologies. This is simply an academic statement.
Communism was a novel idea that was, overall, impractical. There was nothing inherently evil in it, communism just proved a highly ineffective way of governing people.
Let us take a look at some policies that are in line with a more liberal/communistic mindset. By the way, various communist nations tried the following:
1) Government health care
2) Gun control
3) Greater government control of private industry
Sir, these are just a few examples. If you can intelligently refute this, then please do.

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from dek0609 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

if you didn't know, you can get expelled for a year for having a pocketknife, steak knife, machette, aspirin,advil etc in your car at school. blame the guns, knives on the liberals, the drugs (aspirin) on the conservatives. all of it is stupid.

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from country boy wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I am a junior in high school and i have parked in the school parking lot every day since i've had a drivers license and had a shotgun and/or rifle in my truck every day i've gone to school, and several other of my hunting friends do this to. The school administration has never given any us trouble about it but i wouldnt be suprised if someday i got called to the office for this. Knowing that never has kept me from keeping a gun in my truck though, because the gun/s are always unloaded with the actions open and i am breaing no laws. And besides, if we were to get suspended that wouldnt that just give us more time to go hunting and fishing? lol

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

That was supposed to be "You cannot open an abscess with out using a knife," not suing a knife

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Sorry, there are multiple typos in my last post. My computer is down and I am using my daughter's laptop and I don't have the hang of the change in keyboards. I meant "in context" instead of "is context" and "your words" instead of "you words."

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

To the Captain and to Patrick, could you email me at bjsundling@gmail.com?

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

It is my email address. I would like to discuss some things with you that don't need to take up OL space. If you will respond to me I promise to be courteous and not respond to anything you have say other than in a gentlemanly way. I will be frank but not insulting.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

Never been there, if you tried to look me up, You will have a hard time finding me, my phones are unlisted.The last time I was in WVA, was in 1973, I visited Harper's Ferry, then, me and some army buddies out on a three day pass. I have lived in Oklahoma for the last thirty years. Nice try though.
I looked on Zabasearch and you know there are some Sundlings there, don't know if they are related, odds are, they have never heard of me. My grandparents came to the Us in, the 1870's so call the people you think you have found and ask them.
You have not emailed me, Patrick. I was trying to help you, but if you spend your time trying to discredit me, you will only make a fool of yourself. I realize your ego is damaged and bruised, but if you read Kody's post, you may learn something
Patrick, I do not dislike you, and really would like to help you see some areas that you are blind to, please, email me.

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from Bo wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

K.

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Of course, "reasonableness" is the issue here. As a former teacher/coach and a hunter who has travelled widely, I know there is no good answer to this one. Ilike the scenario of checking the shotgun and car keys. It is fine for sane and responsible people. But most teenagers are challenged for control withe the new levels of hormones coursing through their veins. And they bring their family problems to school as well. Occasionally (as at Columbine) some go crazy and people die. But, I must admit that it wouldn't have mattered where they parked there cars. People like that will kill others with sharp sticks or baseball bats. Anybody who doesn't have a gun doesn't have the benefit of my experience. One of my fellow teachers had ti get a .38 out of the trunk of his car and fire it to survive a PTA meeting. Another was attacked by someone with a baseball bat with nails in it. I was lucky my motorcycle started. Nothing was different at school the next day...

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

To the Principal:
Sieg Heil! This Principal needs some woodshed time.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

hey bo you cant alienate the liberals on this web site young man we have a stake in this fight to i dont agree with every thing the left does or every thing the right does but we all have to stick together on gun control issues. we libs have guns to bo i know your a smart guy when it comes election time we need to vote the bums out that want to take our guns and i will be right there with you to boot them out!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

look bo i agree with you on alot of things but i have never voted a strait party ticket in my life when its time to change the system i vote to change it.i dont follow anyone blindly but i dont put up with the left bashing on here because bo we are going to need those democrats that own guns to help us when it comes time to vote this administration out. and you ruck and a few others scare the dems off that come here to voice there opinion.but those guys arent me ill stay and go toe to toe with you bo.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

oh i thought you were talking about a militia group you knew of.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

look guys i know this forum is a republican love fest and im the only democrat on here that voices his opinion which makes me crazy i guess because i know im going to get hammered hard for it.but if we only have one point of view then we will never learn anything and it would be real boring if it was all republicans posting.and you guys need to quit listening to the fox mantra and drinking the fox cool aid and listening to glen beck because he was droped on his head one to many times!ha,ha.and the captain im really sorry sir i do respect you and your service youg man.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

thats young man

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo where are you from.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo hows the weather in wallace wva!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

whats going on guys did you have a good weekend.

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from dek0609 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

People push blame everywhere.
used to be you could have a pocket knife but the liberals overreacted!!!
used to be you could carry knitting needles on planes. But the conservatives over reacted!!!
And oddly enough no matter what we do we are no safer because of either

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo i meant that the republicans cant fight against gun control alone your going to need democrats for that fight i didnt see one good thing come from the last administration!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you have 13 more wise years than me you said it we need to reason with them and convince them to change to our side so our rights dont get stomped on.look at what pmdockins wrote it was reasonable to him but he got hammered for it and know one said hey your veiws were ok but we need to work on parts of it.we need that guy at election time but now he might never come back for us to help him see our point of view.we need guys like you to teach the young pups on here that are of the democratic point of view to see your wisdom bo!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you and the captain cant keep blameing the liberals for your failings in life.we can do this till the cows come home its fruitless.we are on the same side when it comes to the lefts trying to take our guns, man im right there with you on this one bo!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

this is bos e mail adress bjsundling@gmail.com google it hes not in oklahoma hes in wva!hes a fraud!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

charlie elk i have talked to gerry bethge told him what is going on its not good to come on here and make fools of us all!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

the captain i commend your service to our country i thank you very much.im sorry if i have offened you!but when you start the name calling then you have to take it as well as dish it out.when you call a liberal a communist a fascist or socialist then the fight is on and as im the only democrat on here that defends himself i take the good with the bad and i dont like the name calling part but if i get riled enough i resort to that course now and then.as for defining a word i can do that,treason means,a violation of allegiance to ones sovereign,or you dont like that how about treachery!which will work as well.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo where you at you fraud come clean on here and apologize to everyone then you need to go away!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo that means nothing i have just talked to gerry told him whats going on your in wva.

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo im done with you outdoor life needs to boot you off of this web site your a fraud!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

shooting a president is not the right way vote them out is the right way and give me liberty or give me death is not relevent today!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bush letting terrorist attack this country was treason but we know that both parties are to blame for what is happening in this country.i dont want to argue with you bo or the captain i just know we need to work together on saving our gun rights!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you are a poser your valid e mail adress is in wallace wva i suggest you come clean you horses arse and apologize to every one on outdoor life. you no more live in the mid west than i do you need to pack your bags and move on!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey guys all you have to do is google his e mail adress and it tells you where he is its not oaklahoma its wallace wva.bo you are a lier a fraud a poser and a bad conserative!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

outdoor life needs someone to police this web site because bo is not the only imposter on here thats a fact.ill tell you i can clean up this web site for outdoor life i know some people that work for the fbi center in clarksburg wva and i bet i could give them the info on bo and we can find out who he really is.bo your a fake!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey bo quit voteing yourself up you fraud!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo dont feel sorry for me ill be just fine but you shouldnt suggest genocide for all of the liberals it is unconstitutional.and the captain shouldnt use communism to discrib his own country thats treason!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

hey charlie elk hes fooled you hes not in oklahoma hes in wallace wva he has lied to every one on this web site if you belive him i feel sorry for all on here!

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from patrick88 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

bo you posted your email you told me to email you at it you fraud!

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from pmdockins wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

Some of you like to blame "the liberals" for everything. I would recommend that you temper your comments. Namely, because I imagine there are a lot people who would agree with the law who are conservatives. I personally, lean to the left, but believe this is a horrible situation. As best I can tell, the kid followed all state laws for the transportation of fire firearms. He is not in trouble with the law and therefore, should not be in trouble with the school. Had he parked on school property...different story. I would hope that all parents, uncles, aunts, etc. out there would want the schools to be a safe place. While I may not agree with the law, I do understand it's intent. The intent is not to violate anyone's 2nd amend. rights, but to keep our children safe. I can't fault them based on intent....I can on implementation.

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