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Henned-Up Second Helping

September 14, 2009
Henned-Up Second Helping - 20

Chances are pretty good that many of you reading this were outfoxed by a henned-up gobbler with a brain the size of a walnut last spring. The pain you felt was self-inflicted. No matter how hard you tried, no matter what tactics you applied, those dominant toms weren’t buying anything you threw at them. 

Why should they? They were surrounded by warm and willing hens. Those same tied-up gobblers have done you a favor with fall turkey seasons coming up. Say what?

Chances are those hung-up toms bred one or more hens. Those hens nested, hatched broods, and raised those young birds this summer. Birds of the year grow fast. That single gobbler might be responsible for half a dozen, a dozen, or more wild turkeys in the woods and fields right now.

It’s time to do two things: return to the scene of the crime, where that gobbler gave you a tough time. It’s also important to go back to the area where you may have killed a turkey to see what has transpired in the past months. You may find a bunch of turkeys there.

I found two such Maine family flocks this past weekend, the first time I’ve seen either one of them. One numbered 10 birds while the other weighed in at nine turkeys. They were out in the open, within an hour after fly-down time, drying off from the rain showers we had on Saturday. The gobbler(s) that bred the brood hens last spring were nowhere to be seen of course.

As the fall turkey seasons approach, return to the areas where you successfully located gobblers, including places where you actually closed the deal. Chances are there are some flocks waiting for you.

After you’ve located them, add these things to your to-do list: Secure land ownership permission again. Spend some time in the area patterning these flocks. Try to determine the range of these groups. Some autumn flocks travel in 1000-acre habitats, hitting food sources as they spend their day grazing between fly-down and fly-up. Set up somewhere between their roost and food source(s) during your hunts. Cold call to birds on the move, or using terrain to hide your movements, flush the just-out-of-range flock to later call the gregarious birds back.

One final thing: You can finally stop cursing that tough spring gobbler’s memory and thank it for this fall bounty.

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from WVOtter wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Yep, I talked to a Tom for 2-3 days this spring and never got him into view and had one come in on me quiet that got spooked when my decoy suddenly spun in the wind, never to be seen again! I even had one hen come from behind me, right past me, and headed on toward the mouthy tom! I was praying she'd stop and help me out with some of her own yelps, but no dice.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Hey WVOtter,

Any family flocks in that area now?

Thanks. -S.

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from WVOtter wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Unfortunately, it's a few hours from me at my families camp and I haven't revisited that specific site since then, so not sure. But on my couple return trips, I have heard and seen good numbers in other areas near by. Which, nearly all the guys up there I've talked to said the Spring harvest was low and I remember everyone complaining about how quiet the birds were...despite numerous preseason sightings. So maybe that's why the population is good now. Either way, I'm stoked for this falls trip!

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

WVOtter,

Keep us posted. Have a good one.

S.

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from patrick88 wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

this past spring was very bad in this part of wva.no gobbling not even a close call on a gobbler hope next spring will be better.turkeys do hang in the same area year after year.gobblers do travel in the winter but do come back to the same area in the spring.good luck in the woods guys

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Thanks for checking in patrick88. Keep us posted on what you see out there and how you do this fall season. -S.

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from bullridingbamaboy wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Been seeing a few decent size flocks in the early morning,even heard a Tom gobble and fly down yesterday morning,but never seen him,he only gobbled twice,but still it was musuc to my ears.Had a bud see a big flock near the river pasture and even seen three Toms and one was strutting,man Spring can't get hear quick enough.Good luck to all you fall hunters,hope ya'll put a big one on the dirt.
Later,
BRBB

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Hey BRBB,

Good news man . . . you need to get on those fall toms!

Keep us posted. -S.

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from Jason the Mapper wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Been out the last four mornings and some afternoons on the local public lands and I have not heard a single call, but did see some feathers. Previously I have seen flocks along the roads. Unlike spring I am thinking they are roaming more in the crops and are not tied to concealment the state lands offer and are ‘exploring’ new areas. Maybe I am trying to justify my lack of success.

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from Josh N. wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Haven't seen much for family flocks in my area of Maine. Saw a flock yesterday of five hens and one poult...not very promising. The only good news is that birds do seem to be hanging around the family farm and apparently my cousin saw a flock of around 10 jakes and toms the other day. This makes me wonder, do the flocks of toms and jakes have bigger ranges than the family flocks? I'm also kinda new to this whole fall turkey hunting thing. What kind of call would I use for in the fall to lure in a tom, other than a gobble.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Hey Josh N.,

A fighting purr used right after fly-down time will sometimes lure "super jakes" (1-1/2 yr. old birds), and longbeards in for a look . . . it'll work during the other legal shooting hours too.

A coarse three-note gobbler yelp will also chance at pulling one in (I like a slate for this). I've used it with success after scattering gobbler groups while both bow and shotgun hunting . . .

Range, broodless hen flock, family flock, or gobbler flock, varies depending on the fall birds, and often shifts with food sources. Time with the actual turkeys will teach you a lot.

P.S. I had a brood hen and two young birds (early hatch; pretty good size) come into the small farm field behind me while I goose hunted southern Maine this a.m.

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from pineywoods wrote 19 weeks 14 hours ago

I flushed five longbeards from an overgrown log loading deck this morning. I've seen a fair number of grown turkeys this summer, but very few young ones. I don't think we had a very good hatch here in south Alabama. I'm anxiously waiting for spring gobbling season.

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from charlie elk wrote 19 weeks 13 hours ago

Season started out with a bang - 4 bangs to be exact on opening day. The mast is heavy here the turkeys were in the oak woods all morning and I figured as the day warmed they would move into the hayfield to do some bugging. Snuck up a steep hill to stay hidden, no turkeys in the field. What the heck....advanced into the field slowly, about 50 yards into the field turkeys flew up everywhere. They had been hunkering down out of sight in the alfalfa and I had walked into the middle of them. Turkeys split into 2 groups heading in opposite directions. Set up quick, assembly called, the turkeys came running back, shot 2, turkeys scattered, assembly called, turkeys came running back again shot 2 more. Heck of hunting day!
Enjoyed planked turkey breast for supper.
WI still has otc tags for sale - replaced punched tags, ready to hunt on.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 3 hours ago

Hey charlie elk,

You are THE MAN.

What an awesome hunt . . .

-S.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 hours ago

Which begs the question, ce: How the heck did you haul four turkeys out of the woods?

A waterfowling decoy bag?

An oversized game vest?

Two birds of the year in your vest, and one on each shoulder?

Amazing . . .

Thanks again for sharing your hunt. Speaking for everyone, that's got us stoked! -S.

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from strengthfam@cha... wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Wish we had a fall season. S.C. closed fall turkey hunting 10 or 15 years ago.
This sounds like good advise as I spend tons of time year round at our hunt club. Seeing lots of birds in the same area I hunted this spring. Can't wait until next April!!

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Hey strengthfam . . .

There are several southern states that manage for "beards in the spring; antlers in the fall" (Georgia has no fall turkey season either). . . it's all good I s'pose. And Florida is manages turkeys for beards in the fall too.

Have pickup truck will travel . . . four states for me this fall. Love it.

Thanks for checking in.

-S.

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from charlie elk wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Steve,
All because I read your book on fall hunting, its made me a hunting maniac. ;-)
Field dressed them right away. My vest is an old Mossy Oak Elite, the original one with the zip-off sleeves,has a larger pouch than most vests and fits 2 birds. Carried the other 2 by one leg of each in one hand over my shoulder resting on the 2 in the pouch. Only had a 1.5 mile walk back but still had to switch sides to rest the hands. Had to have the gun on a shoulder too. Temp was near 90.
Decoy bag - have to check that out if foursomes are going to become the norm.

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from charlie elk wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Feel sorry for you guys with no fall season. You all should consider a trip for fall WI turkeys. They overrun the landscape here so much so farmers are granted shooting permits! (I find that repugnant) WI hunters are not really interested in fall turkey as a result there are over the counter permits available all through the season which has been extended to Dec 31 this year. In past years the state has not sold all the permits by season end. BTW, the nonresident permit cost is $15 purchase limit one per day.
Happy hunting all - enjoy,
Later,
charlie elk

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from Josh N. wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks for the help Steve. Can't wait to try my luck at some fall longbeards. Just saw a flock of 7 or 8 jakes/toms in the field behind the farm yesterday.

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from WVOtter wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Yep, I talked to a Tom for 2-3 days this spring and never got him into view and had one come in on me quiet that got spooked when my decoy suddenly spun in the wind, never to be seen again! I even had one hen come from behind me, right past me, and headed on toward the mouthy tom! I was praying she'd stop and help me out with some of her own yelps, but no dice.

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from WVOtter wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Unfortunately, it's a few hours from me at my families camp and I haven't revisited that specific site since then, so not sure. But on my couple return trips, I have heard and seen good numbers in other areas near by. Which, nearly all the guys up there I've talked to said the Spring harvest was low and I remember everyone complaining about how quiet the birds were...despite numerous preseason sightings. So maybe that's why the population is good now. Either way, I'm stoked for this falls trip!

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from patrick88 wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

this past spring was very bad in this part of wva.no gobbling not even a close call on a gobbler hope next spring will be better.turkeys do hang in the same area year after year.gobblers do travel in the winter but do come back to the same area in the spring.good luck in the woods guys

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Hey BRBB,

Good news man . . . you need to get on those fall toms!

Keep us posted. -S.

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from Josh N. wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Haven't seen much for family flocks in my area of Maine. Saw a flock yesterday of five hens and one poult...not very promising. The only good news is that birds do seem to be hanging around the family farm and apparently my cousin saw a flock of around 10 jakes and toms the other day. This makes me wonder, do the flocks of toms and jakes have bigger ranges than the family flocks? I'm also kinda new to this whole fall turkey hunting thing. What kind of call would I use for in the fall to lure in a tom, other than a gobble.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Hey Josh N.,

A fighting purr used right after fly-down time will sometimes lure "super jakes" (1-1/2 yr. old birds), and longbeards in for a look . . . it'll work during the other legal shooting hours too.

A coarse three-note gobbler yelp will also chance at pulling one in (I like a slate for this). I've used it with success after scattering gobbler groups while both bow and shotgun hunting . . .

Range, broodless hen flock, family flock, or gobbler flock, varies depending on the fall birds, and often shifts with food sources. Time with the actual turkeys will teach you a lot.

P.S. I had a brood hen and two young birds (early hatch; pretty good size) come into the small farm field behind me while I goose hunted southern Maine this a.m.

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from charlie elk wrote 19 weeks 13 hours ago

Season started out with a bang - 4 bangs to be exact on opening day. The mast is heavy here the turkeys were in the oak woods all morning and I figured as the day warmed they would move into the hayfield to do some bugging. Snuck up a steep hill to stay hidden, no turkeys in the field. What the heck....advanced into the field slowly, about 50 yards into the field turkeys flew up everywhere. They had been hunkering down out of sight in the alfalfa and I had walked into the middle of them. Turkeys split into 2 groups heading in opposite directions. Set up quick, assembly called, the turkeys came running back, shot 2, turkeys scattered, assembly called, turkeys came running back again shot 2 more. Heck of hunting day!
Enjoyed planked turkey breast for supper.
WI still has otc tags for sale - replaced punched tags, ready to hunt on.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 hours ago

Which begs the question, ce: How the heck did you haul four turkeys out of the woods?

A waterfowling decoy bag?

An oversized game vest?

Two birds of the year in your vest, and one on each shoulder?

Amazing . . .

Thanks again for sharing your hunt. Speaking for everyone, that's got us stoked! -S.

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from strengthfam@cha... wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Wish we had a fall season. S.C. closed fall turkey hunting 10 or 15 years ago.
This sounds like good advise as I spend tons of time year round at our hunt club. Seeing lots of birds in the same area I hunted this spring. Can't wait until next April!!

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Hey strengthfam . . .

There are several southern states that manage for "beards in the spring; antlers in the fall" (Georgia has no fall turkey season either). . . it's all good I s'pose. And Florida is manages turkeys for beards in the fall too.

Have pickup truck will travel . . . four states for me this fall. Love it.

Thanks for checking in.

-S.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Hey WVOtter,

Any family flocks in that area now?

Thanks. -S.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

WVOtter,

Keep us posted. Have a good one.

S.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 2 days ago

Thanks for checking in patrick88. Keep us posted on what you see out there and how you do this fall season. -S.

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from bullridingbamaboy wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Been seeing a few decent size flocks in the early morning,even heard a Tom gobble and fly down yesterday morning,but never seen him,he only gobbled twice,but still it was musuc to my ears.Had a bud see a big flock near the river pasture and even seen three Toms and one was strutting,man Spring can't get hear quick enough.Good luck to all you fall hunters,hope ya'll put a big one on the dirt.
Later,
BRBB

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from Jason the Mapper wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Been out the last four mornings and some afternoons on the local public lands and I have not heard a single call, but did see some feathers. Previously I have seen flocks along the roads. Unlike spring I am thinking they are roaming more in the crops and are not tied to concealment the state lands offer and are ‘exploring’ new areas. Maybe I am trying to justify my lack of success.

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from pineywoods wrote 19 weeks 14 hours ago

I flushed five longbeards from an overgrown log loading deck this morning. I've seen a fair number of grown turkeys this summer, but very few young ones. I don't think we had a very good hatch here in south Alabama. I'm anxiously waiting for spring gobbling season.

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from Steve Hickoff wrote 19 weeks 3 hours ago

Hey charlie elk,

You are THE MAN.

What an awesome hunt . . .

-S.

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from charlie elk wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Steve,
All because I read your book on fall hunting, its made me a hunting maniac. ;-)
Field dressed them right away. My vest is an old Mossy Oak Elite, the original one with the zip-off sleeves,has a larger pouch than most vests and fits 2 birds. Carried the other 2 by one leg of each in one hand over my shoulder resting on the 2 in the pouch. Only had a 1.5 mile walk back but still had to switch sides to rest the hands. Had to have the gun on a shoulder too. Temp was near 90.
Decoy bag - have to check that out if foursomes are going to become the norm.

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from charlie elk wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Feel sorry for you guys with no fall season. You all should consider a trip for fall WI turkeys. They overrun the landscape here so much so farmers are granted shooting permits! (I find that repugnant) WI hunters are not really interested in fall turkey as a result there are over the counter permits available all through the season which has been extended to Dec 31 this year. In past years the state has not sold all the permits by season end. BTW, the nonresident permit cost is $15 purchase limit one per day.
Happy hunting all - enjoy,
Later,
charlie elk

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from Josh N. wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks for the help Steve. Can't wait to try my luck at some fall longbeards. Just saw a flock of 7 or 8 jakes/toms in the field behind the farm yesterday.

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