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I am loking at getting a new deer rifle. I am currently using an old Savage model 99 in 300. SAV and love it but I don't want to use it I want to put it away so it dosen't get damged. I am either going to get a Remington model 700 cdl, a savage model 14 or 114 american classic. or a Tikka or sako A7. In either 30 06 308. or 270. . I am going to be using the gun for deer hunting but want something powerful enough to take grizzly bear in case I ever get the chance to hunt one. Any advice about which one would be best
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If there is a chance you will be bear hunting, go with the largest cartridge you can tolerate without flinching. That is the last critter you would ever want to just irritate by only wounding him. I would recommend something heavier than the calibers you mention, maybe a .300 win Mag, or 45-70 something that will have real knockdown. If you don't want that much in a rifle, invest in a Smith .460 Magnum wheelgun. I'm one of those people who believe in as much gun as possible when you're hunting dangerous game. Prevents your family from having to scrape up enough remains to bury you.
30-06 would be the best way to go because its the best for anything in the U.S. from coyotes to grizzlies..Very powerful round.
id go with bo the 300 win mag loaded right its great round for anything from deer sized game to grizzlys it does a great job on anything i think
No doubt about it. You need a .338 Win Mag. It will stop anything in North America in it's tracks. In a Rem 700 it is very manageable.
if ur still looking for that rifle it would be a 338. ultra mag.
I was on board until you mentioned griz. I would consider a 338 win mag minimum on big bears. I have used my Browning Stainless Stalker in 338 win mag for about 17 years now. I have used it on lots of deer and elk. Last year, as a matter of fact, I took my best whitetail ever (148") with it. It is a little big for deer, but you'll be better served by a gun that's a little large for deer, than one that's a little small for bear.
I have to agree with sucngas, you can waist a little meat with a big gun or loose a little with a small one. Shoot a big bear up close with that 270 you won't like the results! Shoot a whitetail with a 338 and you won't have to track him anyway.
I would get the 30.06 and a really good scope and set of binoculers..because if you dont reload you can get all kinds of ready made 30.06 ammo and find it in those small back woods or off the beaten path. varmints to almost all of the North American big game..the ole 30.06 is hard to beat.
Thanks for all the suggetions a lot of the people i've been talking to have been telling me that guns like my 300 sav and the 30.06 are enough for bear but a lot of you said to go bigger with something like a 338. so I will consider that.
I am 71 yrs. of age and have hunted all my life. I hunt with either a Browning A Bolt in .270 or a Weatherby Mark V Custom in
30-06. I hunt in Colorado (Mule Deer), Texas (White Tail and West TX Mule Deer), Alabama (White Tail), and Arkansas (White Tail). For these animals either caliber is excellent, however, if you want to hunt bear (black or grizzly) in my opinion you need something larger than either the .270 or 30-06. The .338 would be a good choice.
The .300 Win Mag will cover all your bases. Griz. to deer.
I'd go with the Savage package(weather warrior).
Good luck and Good hunting.
I tell my wife that I need multiple guns for specific purposes, versus a specific gun for multiple purposes. This is my approach with my wife and I'm sticking to it. Good luck.
Truly , when one plays golf they do not use just one club...or if tennis is yourme ya need more than one rackett...perhaps a nice 308 or 30-06 for stuff that doesnt tend to wat to eat you...and a .338 or larger n of the same type and operation for that which would enjoy rendering you into its dinner.
Someone who has shot a 300 Savage for years is best served by getting a rifle in any of the middle calibers and buying a big bore should the opportunity arise to take on dangerous game. I am surprised that no one suggested the Browning BLR lever guns. If you enjoyed the lever action look at the Browning. You are a lever guy and here is the evolution of the lever gun is a very refined and functional form. All the calibers discussed are available in this gun and with the take down feature and an action that handloaders appreciate.. why not? The Sako you mentioned is about the same price or more, so it is within the price range you quoted. So many guns and so little time, enjoy yourself my friend!!!
Whitetails & grizzlies are in totally different classes of animals. Whitetails are medium sized game (elk are big game) and then there is DANGEROUS game. Grizzlies are dangerous game. A rifle ideal for whitetails will not be adequate for grizzlies and a gun befitting grizzlies will be too much gun for a whitetail — at least if you want anything left to eat!
Hunting grizzlies with anything less than a .338 Winchester Magnum is STUPID. That's not an animal you want wounded, pissed, and looking for someone to take out his frustrations on. Yes, a perfect shot, and a lot of luck have been known to take a grizzly with lesser rounds — but others have died trying. I've read the story of how the largest brown bear ever shot was shot by an Eskimo woman with a .22 single-shot, and how she held the barrel against the bear's side as she pulled the trigger. She was reportedly quite surprised the bear didn't kill her before it went off & died. Even if the story is true it doesn't mean I'll go hunting grizzlies with a .22.
A bullet needs to have the energy to penetrate what it may encounter and still do substantial damage to vital organs for a humane and SAFE kill. A grizzly has shoulder bones that will stop most deer loads before they do enough damage for a quick or safe kill. Guides will generally specify a .338 Win Mag as the minimum load acceptable for grizzly hunting — and I agree. If you can tolerate the recoil I would recommend a .338 RUM (Remington Ultra Magnum) or a .340 Weatherby as ideal grizzly cartridges. If you can't tolerate that recoil use a .338 Win Mag. If you can't tolerate that recoil install a muzzle brake or go hunt something where this much gun isn't needed.
The Remington Model 700 XRC is available in .338 RUM & would be my first choice for a grizzly gun.
To Mr Cooley: .338 RUM for whitetail deer ? Little much don't you think ?
I had a buddy that was a "bear guide" in Ak. before he was killed by a bear( that was shot with a 405 Win. by the way).
He told me that the .300 Win's kill more animals up there than all the .338's and up combined. I use a .300 Win. Browning A-Bolt for everthing I've chased here in North America short of Griz. and have NEVER had a problem.
i dont care what it is 30-06 is the way to go
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id go with bo the 300 win mag loaded right its great round for anything from deer sized game to grizzlys it does a great job on anything i think
I would get the 30.06 and a really good scope and set of binoculers..because if you dont reload you can get all kinds of ready made 30.06 ammo and find it in those small back woods or off the beaten path. varmints to almost all of the North American big game..the ole 30.06 is hard to beat.
If there is a chance you will be bear hunting, go with the largest cartridge you can tolerate without flinching. That is the last critter you would ever want to just irritate by only wounding him. I would recommend something heavier than the calibers you mention, maybe a .300 win Mag, or 45-70 something that will have real knockdown. If you don't want that much in a rifle, invest in a Smith .460 Magnum wheelgun. I'm one of those people who believe in as much gun as possible when you're hunting dangerous game. Prevents your family from having to scrape up enough remains to bury you.
I was on board until you mentioned griz. I would consider a 338 win mag minimum on big bears. I have used my Browning Stainless Stalker in 338 win mag for about 17 years now. I have used it on lots of deer and elk. Last year, as a matter of fact, I took my best whitetail ever (148") with it. It is a little big for deer, but you'll be better served by a gun that's a little large for deer, than one that's a little small for bear.
I am 71 yrs. of age and have hunted all my life. I hunt with either a Browning A Bolt in .270 or a Weatherby Mark V Custom in
30-06. I hunt in Colorado (Mule Deer), Texas (White Tail and West TX Mule Deer), Alabama (White Tail), and Arkansas (White Tail). For these animals either caliber is excellent, however, if you want to hunt bear (black or grizzly) in my opinion you need something larger than either the .270 or 30-06. The .338 would be a good choice.
No doubt about it. You need a .338 Win Mag. It will stop anything in North America in it's tracks. In a Rem 700 it is very manageable.
if ur still looking for that rifle it would be a 338. ultra mag.
The .300 Win Mag will cover all your bases. Griz. to deer.
I'd go with the Savage package(weather warrior).
Good luck and Good hunting.
Truly , when one plays golf they do not use just one club...or if tennis is yourme ya need more than one rackett...perhaps a nice 308 or 30-06 for stuff that doesnt tend to wat to eat you...and a .338 or larger n of the same type and operation for that which would enjoy rendering you into its dinner.
Whitetails & grizzlies are in totally different classes of animals. Whitetails are medium sized game (elk are big game) and then there is DANGEROUS game. Grizzlies are dangerous game. A rifle ideal for whitetails will not be adequate for grizzlies and a gun befitting grizzlies will be too much gun for a whitetail — at least if you want anything left to eat!
Hunting grizzlies with anything less than a .338 Winchester Magnum is STUPID. That's not an animal you want wounded, pissed, and looking for someone to take out his frustrations on. Yes, a perfect shot, and a lot of luck have been known to take a grizzly with lesser rounds — but others have died trying. I've read the story of how the largest brown bear ever shot was shot by an Eskimo woman with a .22 single-shot, and how she held the barrel against the bear's side as she pulled the trigger. She was reportedly quite surprised the bear didn't kill her before it went off & died. Even if the story is true it doesn't mean I'll go hunting grizzlies with a .22.
A bullet needs to have the energy to penetrate what it may encounter and still do substantial damage to vital organs for a humane and SAFE kill. A grizzly has shoulder bones that will stop most deer loads before they do enough damage for a quick or safe kill. Guides will generally specify a .338 Win Mag as the minimum load acceptable for grizzly hunting — and I agree. If you can tolerate the recoil I would recommend a .338 RUM (Remington Ultra Magnum) or a .340 Weatherby as ideal grizzly cartridges. If you can't tolerate that recoil use a .338 Win Mag. If you can't tolerate that recoil install a muzzle brake or go hunt something where this much gun isn't needed.
The Remington Model 700 XRC is available in .338 RUM & would be my first choice for a grizzly gun.
i dont care what it is 30-06 is the way to go
I have to agree with sucngas, you can waist a little meat with a big gun or loose a little with a small one. Shoot a big bear up close with that 270 you won't like the results! Shoot a whitetail with a 338 and you won't have to track him anyway.
Thanks for all the suggetions a lot of the people i've been talking to have been telling me that guns like my 300 sav and the 30.06 are enough for bear but a lot of you said to go bigger with something like a 338. so I will consider that.
I tell my wife that I need multiple guns for specific purposes, versus a specific gun for multiple purposes. This is my approach with my wife and I'm sticking to it. Good luck.
Someone who has shot a 300 Savage for years is best served by getting a rifle in any of the middle calibers and buying a big bore should the opportunity arise to take on dangerous game. I am surprised that no one suggested the Browning BLR lever guns. If you enjoyed the lever action look at the Browning. You are a lever guy and here is the evolution of the lever gun is a very refined and functional form. All the calibers discussed are available in this gun and with the take down feature and an action that handloaders appreciate.. why not? The Sako you mentioned is about the same price or more, so it is within the price range you quoted. So many guns and so little time, enjoy yourself my friend!!!
To Mr Cooley: .338 RUM for whitetail deer ? Little much don't you think ?
I had a buddy that was a "bear guide" in Ak. before he was killed by a bear( that was shot with a 405 Win. by the way).
He told me that the .300 Win's kill more animals up there than all the .338's and up combined. I use a .300 Win. Browning A-Bolt for everthing I've chased here in North America short of Griz. and have NEVER had a problem.
30-06 would be the best way to go because its the best for anything in the U.S. from coyotes to grizzlies..Very powerful round.
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