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Whitetail Deer
I was recently watching bucks of techomate and the owner of the ranch was after a world record buck and he basically walked up on a world record that was standing in the middle of a food plot and he shot it. That got me thinking. I don't think that it's fair to put ranch deer that are bread to be monsters thru steroids and DNA matching and then harvested by hunters paying $20,000 or more in the record books. Think about it. The Olympics are based on who trains the hardest and who can run the fastest. Baseball is about who trains the hardest and can hit the farthest. If steroids or DNA alterations are introduced the athlete is banned from winning. Shouldn't it be the same with deer hunting. I think that the only bucks that should be allowed to be placed in the record books are those that are nature raised and harvest by the hardest working hunters. What does everyone else think?
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i believe the same thing but i do think bucks shot on food plots are also fair because there are still no steroids or dna alterations. food plots are just a better source of vitamin and minerlas for the deer. you wouldnt ban a athlete from the olympics if he was eating really healthy food with more vitamins and minerals.
Good point Taylor I didn't think of that one
When there is no fair chase or stalk involved in the hunt I don't see much in the way of a sport at all. If these so called hunters wish to participate and support this kind of sham they hurt the sport as a whole. It is unethical and self serving egotism to kill something in this manner, especially if it is in pursuit of some self-aggrandizing record. If you want to kill something get a job at the slaughter house or play pretend on a video games. If I feed a nice buck on the apple tree in my yard, wait till he loses his fear of man and allows me to approach him, at which time I shoot him....what would you call this kind of conduct? Anyone bragging to me about the buck they shot in this manner is going to get a real ear full laced with plenty of four letter words!
From my point of view where we went wrong is thinking of hunting as a sport. We sugar coated our tradtion for the anti's to try to let them accept what we do. We all seen it in the 90's how they took hunting to a big $$$ thing like sports. We need to teach or children that hunting is not a sport its a gift from the heavens intended to feed us. We must accept the fact that we are not blocking the deers shot at the buzzer we are sending it head first into the next life and we must respect that thought & also respect the animal. I'm sorry to say that any respectful hunter would not pay 20,000 to shoot a living soul in a pen. But as a sports man this man thought it was ok to do such a thing. The true ? is it fair to the man who handed down hunting to us all.
i agree drophook we are sending it staright in to the next life. evrytime i harvest an animal i always put one last mouthful of grass in its mouth. i read a book and the author always did it. he said it was a tradition that meant the animal would be healthy and have a good life the next time around
taylor1, That is very nice to hear that some people out there still belive in things like that. There is many diffrent tradtions to honor the deer some will poor some water in there mouths for there last drink I belive most of us when we get the animal down in someway we all say thanks to the man above but we dont say it out load we do it with our hearts not with our mouths. We need to teach the younger people its ok to pray for a animal that has fed the human race since man first started eating red meat. I'm not saying to be in church evrey sunday or I'm not saying you must say 25 hail mary's or join the bible club I'm just saying respect the animal because the next time around you could be the hunted & he maybee the hunter & I'm sure we wish that he would treat us good & help us leave that world in a good spirted way. I'm only one man & thats just my point of view.
thank you,
DJH
Ever since I was a child, my father taught me that I should always respect the animal. Never shoot at a deer but aim where it will be the least painful and the fastest death. I just feel that the "sport" has become too commercialized and too much about money. It feels like the good old days of putting on a flannel shirt and jeans and sitting beside a tree with a handed down rifle are over. And this is saddening to me. We need to reshape hunting to what it used to be...a bond between hunters and nature and not a bond between a commercial and a wallet.
I find the saddest part is that we are discussing this. People who use the high dollar hunts are not real hunters. They just play at it, and they miss out the most important part, The work. If it all done for you what is the point? In my mind there is no point, if you are not the one that does the real work. But that is just me.
My opinion is that anyone that shoots a deer that is in a pen is NOT a true hunter. I grew up with the big hunting group and i mean we shot mostly does. if we got a buck that was great, it was nothing huge. But now that i've been hunting for 7 years i am a believer in the management of whitetails. I dont care if i dont shoot anything its just the thrill of seeing them in the wild. In my 7 years i have not shot a buck but im fine with that, but its the thought that hopefully one day i will get the chance to shoot a buck. That is my opinion of a true hunter. Not paying $20000 to shoot one, thats in a pen.
Lots of good points above. It seems to me that we, as a society, are so goal oriented that we have let the sport of hunting become something at which we can only claim achievement by killing the biggest and best. The size of the rack is the measure used to determine whether or not we've had a good season, and how we get that rack may not involve fair chase. I say "we", realizing that there are lots of hunters, myself included, who value the meat more than the antlers, and value the hunt more than the meat. It's just that the people who make a business out of trophy hunting have pushed the concept of success in hunting to a place where it doesn't belong, and that there are people out there who want to be successful hunters at any cost, whether it is by purchasing the newest call or by purchasing the right to shoot a fenced in, pen fed trophy deer. Fair chase is good, shooting on deer farms is not.
There should be some rules on how large the area has to be for the buck shot too be considered. Any place with fenced in deer definitely should not count. If a ranch has over 1000 acres it should. If a place has planted the food plots, and scouted, and then they are really hunting the deer, but just shooting deer you drove up too and actually hunting them are different. If someone wants to pay 20,000 then they are putting a lot of work into it, more than I am willing to do so maybe they deserve it. But, it is sad when you can pay your way into things like this, just because they shoot doesn't make them a mighty hunter though.
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Ever since I was a child, my father taught me that I should always respect the animal. Never shoot at a deer but aim where it will be the least painful and the fastest death. I just feel that the "sport" has become too commercialized and too much about money. It feels like the good old days of putting on a flannel shirt and jeans and sitting beside a tree with a handed down rifle are over. And this is saddening to me. We need to reshape hunting to what it used to be...a bond between hunters and nature and not a bond between a commercial and a wallet.
Good point Taylor I didn't think of that one
From my point of view where we went wrong is thinking of hunting as a sport. We sugar coated our tradtion for the anti's to try to let them accept what we do. We all seen it in the 90's how they took hunting to a big $$$ thing like sports. We need to teach or children that hunting is not a sport its a gift from the heavens intended to feed us. We must accept the fact that we are not blocking the deers shot at the buzzer we are sending it head first into the next life and we must respect that thought & also respect the animal. I'm sorry to say that any respectful hunter would not pay 20,000 to shoot a living soul in a pen. But as a sports man this man thought it was ok to do such a thing. The true ? is it fair to the man who handed down hunting to us all.
i believe the same thing but i do think bucks shot on food plots are also fair because there are still no steroids or dna alterations. food plots are just a better source of vitamin and minerlas for the deer. you wouldnt ban a athlete from the olympics if he was eating really healthy food with more vitamins and minerals.
i agree drophook we are sending it staright in to the next life. evrytime i harvest an animal i always put one last mouthful of grass in its mouth. i read a book and the author always did it. he said it was a tradition that meant the animal would be healthy and have a good life the next time around
taylor1, That is very nice to hear that some people out there still belive in things like that. There is many diffrent tradtions to honor the deer some will poor some water in there mouths for there last drink I belive most of us when we get the animal down in someway we all say thanks to the man above but we dont say it out load we do it with our hearts not with our mouths. We need to teach the younger people its ok to pray for a animal that has fed the human race since man first started eating red meat. I'm not saying to be in church evrey sunday or I'm not saying you must say 25 hail mary's or join the bible club I'm just saying respect the animal because the next time around you could be the hunted & he maybee the hunter & I'm sure we wish that he would treat us good & help us leave that world in a good spirted way. I'm only one man & thats just my point of view.
thank you,
DJH
I find the saddest part is that we are discussing this. People who use the high dollar hunts are not real hunters. They just play at it, and they miss out the most important part, The work. If it all done for you what is the point? In my mind there is no point, if you are not the one that does the real work. But that is just me.
My opinion is that anyone that shoots a deer that is in a pen is NOT a true hunter. I grew up with the big hunting group and i mean we shot mostly does. if we got a buck that was great, it was nothing huge. But now that i've been hunting for 7 years i am a believer in the management of whitetails. I dont care if i dont shoot anything its just the thrill of seeing them in the wild. In my 7 years i have not shot a buck but im fine with that, but its the thought that hopefully one day i will get the chance to shoot a buck. That is my opinion of a true hunter. Not paying $20000 to shoot one, thats in a pen.
When there is no fair chase or stalk involved in the hunt I don't see much in the way of a sport at all. If these so called hunters wish to participate and support this kind of sham they hurt the sport as a whole. It is unethical and self serving egotism to kill something in this manner, especially if it is in pursuit of some self-aggrandizing record. If you want to kill something get a job at the slaughter house or play pretend on a video games. If I feed a nice buck on the apple tree in my yard, wait till he loses his fear of man and allows me to approach him, at which time I shoot him....what would you call this kind of conduct? Anyone bragging to me about the buck they shot in this manner is going to get a real ear full laced with plenty of four letter words!
Lots of good points above. It seems to me that we, as a society, are so goal oriented that we have let the sport of hunting become something at which we can only claim achievement by killing the biggest and best. The size of the rack is the measure used to determine whether or not we've had a good season, and how we get that rack may not involve fair chase. I say "we", realizing that there are lots of hunters, myself included, who value the meat more than the antlers, and value the hunt more than the meat. It's just that the people who make a business out of trophy hunting have pushed the concept of success in hunting to a place where it doesn't belong, and that there are people out there who want to be successful hunters at any cost, whether it is by purchasing the newest call or by purchasing the right to shoot a fenced in, pen fed trophy deer. Fair chase is good, shooting on deer farms is not.
There should be some rules on how large the area has to be for the buck shot too be considered. Any place with fenced in deer definitely should not count. If a ranch has over 1000 acres it should. If a place has planted the food plots, and scouted, and then they are really hunting the deer, but just shooting deer you drove up too and actually hunting them are different. If someone wants to pay 20,000 then they are putting a lot of work into it, more than I am willing to do so maybe they deserve it. But, it is sad when you can pay your way into things like this, just because they shoot doesn't make them a mighty hunter though.
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