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Survival
how long do you think you could survive in a winter setting? Lots of snow, cold temps, wind...you have warm clothes on, but no shelter, and only limited resources: knife, gun, lighter/1 book of matches and that's it. you're miles upon miles from civilization, no cell coverage and it will be at least 5 days before anyone even notices you're late. so you're looking at a minimum of 6 days before a search party is formed and they only have a vague awareness of where you are....
how long would you last????
Good question.
Whether or not I could survive would depend a lot on what type of cold setting we're talking about. If it's in the woods, constructing a shelter (out of trees, rocks, etc) would be a lot easier than if I'm on a vast empty expanse of the arctic where the wind would be brutal. Also, is the presumed wildlife? That makes a big difference in the food factor.
Gosh...I'm not sure I would really know until it happened. I'd LIKE to think that I'd be cool, calm and collected, but......
I have to agree with Bowman, I think I'd be ok but its hard to say without being there. I think I've watched Man vs. Wild enough to know a few survival techniques that would come in handy and enough camping experience I would survive a couple days at least.
im not quite sure but i think i could last a few days.
Like Paul said it kinda depends on the setting or where you are at. I would do great in the woods but any where else i really dont know..Good thing to think abou though
Survive? Without a cell phone and a computer? About 1/2 hour!!!!
The interesting thing about survival stories is that the person's inner-strength (for lack of a better word) seems to have as much to do with enduring the circumstances as the external factors like having warm clothes, shelter, gun or knife, etc. You can't over-estimate the benefit of having a strong will to live, and a will to roll with whatever comes of the situation. And that, despite what we might like to think, is really hard to self-assess.
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”--Charles Darwin
in all comes down to what your willing to do or eat to survive & & also in there an avalible water source near by if need be ice can be broken with a rock if snow eat in in mite not be good but it helps
It would depend on the terrain and area. In the woods I frequent water and shelter would be easy to come by. As long as I had a way to start a fire I could make it several days. Food would be the primary concern, unless there was plenty of game around.
I have never gone into the wilds as ill prepared as is described in the scenario. Minimum that goes into my fanny pack (or back pack)when I going into the field is a space blanket,some paracord, 8X8 3 mil plastic tarp, small first aid kit and 3-5 ways to start a fire. I collect lint from the dryer and keep it in a 35mm film canister. I also take OOOO steel wool sealed in a zip lock bag. I have a magnesium fire starter bar that I have shaved down, and those shavings are kept into a 35 mm film canister. I have made firestarters from dryer lint put into cardboard egg cartons that I filled with paraffin wax.
I carry several flint and steel devices as they will work even when wet. Having done SAR many years ago, I have heard too many stories about lighters causing more damage than they were worth.
The OOOO steel wool takes a spark very easily. Light fanning it will produce a decent flame that will get the paraffin starters going. The paraffin starters will last about 5-10 minutes depending and the quality of wax you have. Dry dryer lint will also take a spark and produce a nice flame.
I have more flint and steel devices than I can count. Strike Force is one that comes to mind. I seldom carry matches with me at all. Especially the "gopher" cardboard packs, you know light one and "gopher" another.
I have never used a match to light my fireplace, only flint and steel and the items mentioned above. That way I keep my skills up and in a crisis situation, I won't be too stressed to do it right, it's an ingrained behavior.
The tarp and paracord can be used to make a shelter. It not hard and takes up very little room in my pack. Just practice with the stuff before you go out.
Hi Bo , you are the kind of guy I would like to hunt with. My hunting partner and I go , as you do, "equipped to survive" at all times .I also carry a couple of food items like a can of beans , can of corned beef and a couple of bags of beef jerky etc . I somehow can`t see myself doing a Les Stroud and fishing naked for pond lily roots in the lake in the late fall. Dress right , carry your plastic shelter and survival gear, get the fire going and wait for SAR!
Shipwreck, Thank you. I am of the persuasion that if you are prepared for a "survival" situation, you probably won't have one. I have been in situations in the boonies that some would consider, uh let's say uncomfortable, that I tolerated rather well as I was covered for the circumstances. Also, I don't feel the need to show off and fish naked in the pond. I believe in caution,(my wife would choke hearing that)in the areas that can kill me. I have had my share (my wife would say more than my share)of nearly coulda been fatal instances and have worn out more than my fair share of guardian angels.
That said, experience has been a good teacher, there are some things I know NOT to do again. And since I've gotten older I am less likely to try to scale mountains like I used to do in my twenties, specially since I learned that when I break now, it takes longer to heal.
3 years ago on an elk hunt, the thought I had as I was sliding down rolling scree on the side of a mountain toward the edge was, "My wife is gonna kill me." I was able to stop about 5-6 feet from the edge. I caught my breath and looked over the 50-60 foot drop and realized that she wouldn't have had the chance. It would have been at least a day before SAR found me and the carrion eaters would have had their fill before I was found. I couldn't get out of bed the next day without a great deal of difficulty. 35 years ago, it would have been no big deal.
well i would never know whenever i go back that far i am always over prepared fo any thin becuase i grew up in bear mountainlion an d wolf teritry i used to go hiking and camping for days ata time but another good tip is to have a good map and mark the way u are going
Well you have all the materials needed to stay alive as long as you are not badly injured. As you have all said it depends on the weather, terrain etc. First things First. Set yourself up a base and dont wander too far. With a base camp once you have a fire going you can keep it going cause every time you leave for another area its going to cost you matches for one thing. Set up a help sign so aircraft can see it etc etc. I prefer to carry a Scuba Knife with a hunting knife as it does not rust, retains its edge a lot longer and is also heavier in the event you have to hit something. It also will suffice as a shiney reflector to an aircraft. Then kick yourself for not letting someone know where you were going and an ETA.
I live in the deep south and could survive indefinitly ,depending on the skill of the people looking for me.We have palmetta swamps full of hogs,deer and the water has some huge gators but these are all food items if you use care.May not be legal but it's survival .Bugs are the biggest problem you just have to get your mind right The Cottonmouths will bite you if they get a chance so don't step where you can't see They are meaner than a mother in law.Always carry a favorite firearm I have a old 550-1 remington 22 shooting hollow points have killed some large game and piles of small game.Hope it doesn't come to it but be prepared
Alabamaoutlaw
Please, I live in ALASKA...thats a walk to town for me...next...
Great comment to the city slickers KingFisher.
Northern Minnesota can occasionally beat cold temps in AK - white outs can stop you gettin out on schedule in either place.
I have hunted Alaskan caribou late Oct on the edge of winter-pilot could not pick us up for a week. Been there done that. It's all just additional hunting time. Enjoy it.
You Northern boys must be snow blind .If you have never been in the swamps at 100 degrees and 99% humiditity you don't have a clue you have never seen a rattlesnake seven feet long that can kill you even in the hospital.Bacteria everywhere you feet will rot on the second day.You have heard what the boys in vietnam went through it's just as bad.
Alabamaoutlaw
jacy1515, I have been in -35 degrees in the outdoors and I have been out in 100+ degrees. Each extreme has its own challenges and require completely different attitude and equipment. I would not be too quick to say that someone doesn't have a clue, because they haven't experienced what I have. I could tell lots of stories about doing stuff overseas under less than comfortable conditions, but that doesn't mean someone who hasn't been there doesn't also have valuable experience and have the skills for their particular situation. The important thing for all of us is to understand is we need to know what to do in the area we are hanging out and spending our time, should the fan above us takes on a brown hue and shower us with it.
The people who hunt in the north have a need for a completely different skill set than those in the south and and the same applies to those in the south. Neither, I think, is more important than the other. They are absolutely vital to each.
I speak more than one language. but I would be out of luck in Afghanistan or Iraq. I have no intention of going there so it's okay that I don't speak any language spoken there. ;-)
Hey there Bo you see those bad bugs in the main page ,thats "some "of the bugs i was speaking of you never seen one of these in a snow bank have ya.I have lived a long life and spent time in the cold it's tough i'll admit but as you know you can dress for it.The heat is unescapable smoldering,stifiling.There are so many bacterial microbes that will put you down so quick you want know what hit you.You don't have to drink it,it just migrates through your skin.I'll take a bear anyday at least i can see him coming.An old hog can be a very tough adversary an he will eat you too if he gets the chance.
Alabamaoutlaw
jacy1515, different skill set for sure. I'm a northern boy who has hunted in the swamps of LA, FL and GA had close encounters with many of those snakes. Endured the heat, blood suckers and the gators. Rough country to be sure. The question was about snow and cold that's all. I understand there are challenges in the south too.
Since I live in the north you can assume my preference...
Happy hunting.
Later,
Charlie
The snow and the cold can be a blessing as well a threat,being able to preserve a large kill and to stop spoilage.Keep down the vermin flies,skeeters,tick etc.Although travel in these conditions only amplifies the need for extreme caution.No place for a damaged limb,head injury or any other malody that can occur in such conditions as snow and ice.If prepared for this,a week in a fixed position should be of consequense.My thoughts are this if your mind is right the demons and wild beast of the forest can not prevail.Have your back against a rock and keep your powder dry.The rest is in your head.Didn't mean any disrespect toward our brothers to the North .
Well If it was snow then there's foot prints from where I walked so I think if I just followed those back I would be fine, but If i was lost I hope all I can remember all my dad taught me.
Ohio Hunter, There is always a chance the wind will pick up and in less time than you realize all your tracks are gone. It is situations like that, that will bring out the SAR guys, IF, BIG IF, you remembered to tell anyone where you were going. I can make a shelter that will get me through until the weather gets better or daylight. Didn't say it would be real comfortable like home, but I won't freeze and won't feed the coyotes or other critters out there either.
i think i would be able to survive for a bit. but its really hard to say. i think if you kept thinking about family firends and good things in your life you would be able to keep going a bit longer. i also think if you knew the enviroment and was familiar with basic survival in that type of enviroment you could make it.
At first i was thinking of a healthy person,but then i started to reevaluate this situation .I myself have a heart condition there is that constant varible,broken leg,arm snake bite heart attack or some other mishap.I have been told to stay out of the woods but it is where i come from.I have been thinking about locator devices with a emergency alert.Maybe not to bad an idea if you have the cash which i don't.A disabled hunter puts a new twist to the question.May the woods remain your sancutary,It'where i plan to spend eternity ,Oak tree for a head stone.
Alabamaoutlaw
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I have never gone into the wilds as ill prepared as is described in the scenario. Minimum that goes into my fanny pack (or back pack)when I going into the field is a space blanket,some paracord, 8X8 3 mil plastic tarp, small first aid kit and 3-5 ways to start a fire. I collect lint from the dryer and keep it in a 35mm film canister. I also take OOOO steel wool sealed in a zip lock bag. I have a magnesium fire starter bar that I have shaved down, and those shavings are kept into a 35 mm film canister. I have made firestarters from dryer lint put into cardboard egg cartons that I filled with paraffin wax.
I carry several flint and steel devices as they will work even when wet. Having done SAR many years ago, I have heard too many stories about lighters causing more damage than they were worth.
The OOOO steel wool takes a spark very easily. Light fanning it will produce a decent flame that will get the paraffin starters going. The paraffin starters will last about 5-10 minutes depending and the quality of wax you have. Dry dryer lint will also take a spark and produce a nice flame.
I have more flint and steel devices than I can count. Strike Force is one that comes to mind. I seldom carry matches with me at all. Especially the "gopher" cardboard packs, you know light one and "gopher" another.
I have never used a match to light my fireplace, only flint and steel and the items mentioned above. That way I keep my skills up and in a crisis situation, I won't be too stressed to do it right, it's an ingrained behavior.
The tarp and paracord can be used to make a shelter. It not hard and takes up very little room in my pack. Just practice with the stuff before you go out.
The interesting thing about survival stories is that the person's inner-strength (for lack of a better word) seems to have as much to do with enduring the circumstances as the external factors like having warm clothes, shelter, gun or knife, etc. You can't over-estimate the benefit of having a strong will to live, and a will to roll with whatever comes of the situation. And that, despite what we might like to think, is really hard to self-assess.
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”--Charles Darwin
Shipwreck, Thank you. I am of the persuasion that if you are prepared for a "survival" situation, you probably won't have one. I have been in situations in the boonies that some would consider, uh let's say uncomfortable, that I tolerated rather well as I was covered for the circumstances. Also, I don't feel the need to show off and fish naked in the pond. I believe in caution,(my wife would choke hearing that)in the areas that can kill me. I have had my share (my wife would say more than my share)of nearly coulda been fatal instances and have worn out more than my fair share of guardian angels.
That said, experience has been a good teacher, there are some things I know NOT to do again. And since I've gotten older I am less likely to try to scale mountains like I used to do in my twenties, specially since I learned that when I break now, it takes longer to heal.
3 years ago on an elk hunt, the thought I had as I was sliding down rolling scree on the side of a mountain toward the edge was, "My wife is gonna kill me." I was able to stop about 5-6 feet from the edge. I caught my breath and looked over the 50-60 foot drop and realized that she wouldn't have had the chance. It would have been at least a day before SAR found me and the carrion eaters would have had their fill before I was found. I couldn't get out of bed the next day without a great deal of difficulty. 35 years ago, it would have been no big deal.
Good question.
Whether or not I could survive would depend a lot on what type of cold setting we're talking about. If it's in the woods, constructing a shelter (out of trees, rocks, etc) would be a lot easier than if I'm on a vast empty expanse of the arctic where the wind would be brutal. Also, is the presumed wildlife? That makes a big difference in the food factor.
in all comes down to what your willing to do or eat to survive & & also in there an avalible water source near by if need be ice can be broken with a rock if snow eat in in mite not be good but it helps
Hi Bo , you are the kind of guy I would like to hunt with. My hunting partner and I go , as you do, "equipped to survive" at all times .I also carry a couple of food items like a can of beans , can of corned beef and a couple of bags of beef jerky etc . I somehow can`t see myself doing a Les Stroud and fishing naked for pond lily roots in the lake in the late fall. Dress right , carry your plastic shelter and survival gear, get the fire going and wait for SAR!
jacy1515, different skill set for sure. I'm a northern boy who has hunted in the swamps of LA, FL and GA had close encounters with many of those snakes. Endured the heat, blood suckers and the gators. Rough country to be sure. The question was about snow and cold that's all. I understand there are challenges in the south too.
Since I live in the north you can assume my preference...
Happy hunting.
Later,
Charlie
Gosh...I'm not sure I would really know until it happened. I'd LIKE to think that I'd be cool, calm and collected, but......
im not quite sure but i think i could last a few days.
Like Paul said it kinda depends on the setting or where you are at. I would do great in the woods but any where else i really dont know..Good thing to think abou though
It would depend on the terrain and area. In the woods I frequent water and shelter would be easy to come by. As long as I had a way to start a fire I could make it several days. Food would be the primary concern, unless there was plenty of game around.
Please, I live in ALASKA...thats a walk to town for me...next...
Great comment to the city slickers KingFisher.
Northern Minnesota can occasionally beat cold temps in AK - white outs can stop you gettin out on schedule in either place.
I have hunted Alaskan caribou late Oct on the edge of winter-pilot could not pick us up for a week. Been there done that. It's all just additional hunting time. Enjoy it.
You Northern boys must be snow blind .If you have never been in the swamps at 100 degrees and 99% humiditity you don't have a clue you have never seen a rattlesnake seven feet long that can kill you even in the hospital.Bacteria everywhere you feet will rot on the second day.You have heard what the boys in vietnam went through it's just as bad.
Alabamaoutlaw
jacy1515, I have been in -35 degrees in the outdoors and I have been out in 100+ degrees. Each extreme has its own challenges and require completely different attitude and equipment. I would not be too quick to say that someone doesn't have a clue, because they haven't experienced what I have. I could tell lots of stories about doing stuff overseas under less than comfortable conditions, but that doesn't mean someone who hasn't been there doesn't also have valuable experience and have the skills for their particular situation. The important thing for all of us is to understand is we need to know what to do in the area we are hanging out and spending our time, should the fan above us takes on a brown hue and shower us with it.
The people who hunt in the north have a need for a completely different skill set than those in the south and and the same applies to those in the south. Neither, I think, is more important than the other. They are absolutely vital to each.
I speak more than one language. but I would be out of luck in Afghanistan or Iraq. I have no intention of going there so it's okay that I don't speak any language spoken there. ;-)
Hey there Bo you see those bad bugs in the main page ,thats "some "of the bugs i was speaking of you never seen one of these in a snow bank have ya.I have lived a long life and spent time in the cold it's tough i'll admit but as you know you can dress for it.The heat is unescapable smoldering,stifiling.There are so many bacterial microbes that will put you down so quick you want know what hit you.You don't have to drink it,it just migrates through your skin.I'll take a bear anyday at least i can see him coming.An old hog can be a very tough adversary an he will eat you too if he gets the chance.
Alabamaoutlaw
The snow and the cold can be a blessing as well a threat,being able to preserve a large kill and to stop spoilage.Keep down the vermin flies,skeeters,tick etc.Although travel in these conditions only amplifies the need for extreme caution.No place for a damaged limb,head injury or any other malody that can occur in such conditions as snow and ice.If prepared for this,a week in a fixed position should be of consequense.My thoughts are this if your mind is right the demons and wild beast of the forest can not prevail.Have your back against a rock and keep your powder dry.The rest is in your head.Didn't mean any disrespect toward our brothers to the North .
I have to agree with Bowman, I think I'd be ok but its hard to say without being there. I think I've watched Man vs. Wild enough to know a few survival techniques that would come in handy and enough camping experience I would survive a couple days at least.
well i would never know whenever i go back that far i am always over prepared fo any thin becuase i grew up in bear mountainlion an d wolf teritry i used to go hiking and camping for days ata time but another good tip is to have a good map and mark the way u are going
Well you have all the materials needed to stay alive as long as you are not badly injured. As you have all said it depends on the weather, terrain etc. First things First. Set yourself up a base and dont wander too far. With a base camp once you have a fire going you can keep it going cause every time you leave for another area its going to cost you matches for one thing. Set up a help sign so aircraft can see it etc etc. I prefer to carry a Scuba Knife with a hunting knife as it does not rust, retains its edge a lot longer and is also heavier in the event you have to hit something. It also will suffice as a shiney reflector to an aircraft. Then kick yourself for not letting someone know where you were going and an ETA.
I live in the deep south and could survive indefinitly ,depending on the skill of the people looking for me.We have palmetta swamps full of hogs,deer and the water has some huge gators but these are all food items if you use care.May not be legal but it's survival .Bugs are the biggest problem you just have to get your mind right The Cottonmouths will bite you if they get a chance so don't step where you can't see They are meaner than a mother in law.Always carry a favorite firearm I have a old 550-1 remington 22 shooting hollow points have killed some large game and piles of small game.Hope it doesn't come to it but be prepared
Alabamaoutlaw
Well If it was snow then there's foot prints from where I walked so I think if I just followed those back I would be fine, but If i was lost I hope all I can remember all my dad taught me.
Ohio Hunter, There is always a chance the wind will pick up and in less time than you realize all your tracks are gone. It is situations like that, that will bring out the SAR guys, IF, BIG IF, you remembered to tell anyone where you were going. I can make a shelter that will get me through until the weather gets better or daylight. Didn't say it would be real comfortable like home, but I won't freeze and won't feed the coyotes or other critters out there either.
i think i would be able to survive for a bit. but its really hard to say. i think if you kept thinking about family firends and good things in your life you would be able to keep going a bit longer. i also think if you knew the enviroment and was familiar with basic survival in that type of enviroment you could make it.
At first i was thinking of a healthy person,but then i started to reevaluate this situation .I myself have a heart condition there is that constant varible,broken leg,arm snake bite heart attack or some other mishap.I have been told to stay out of the woods but it is where i come from.I have been thinking about locator devices with a emergency alert.Maybe not to bad an idea if you have the cash which i don't.A disabled hunter puts a new twist to the question.May the woods remain your sancutary,It'where i plan to spend eternity ,Oak tree for a head stone.
Alabamaoutlaw
Survive? Without a cell phone and a computer? About 1/2 hour!!!!
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