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Is the 20-Gauge Enough Gun for Deer?

April 25, 2006
Is the 20-Gauge Enough Gun for Deer? - 101

Express_buckhammer_big My post “Indiana Man Drops Monster with a 20-Gauge” was read by thousands who came from forums all around to gawk at the 234” non-typical freak that Jack Keihn killed last November. If you missed it, check my Big-Buck Tales category; here’s one more photo of the gnarly beast below.

A whole bunch of people posted threads like “cool buck, but why is Hanback making such a big damn deal about Jack shooting it with a 20-gauge?”

Got me! Yes, I admit to being a slug-gun newbie. I can tout the ballistics and virtues of the .270 all dayApril_25_06
  long. But a shotgun for deer? Hah. I know nuth-tink! (Trivia?) I just figured nobody in his right mind would use a pip-squeak 20 when you could go with a big-stocked, thick-actioned, ass-kicking 12 with the heaviest chunk of lead you could sling at a buck.

I hate feeling and sounding ignorant, so you boys out in Indiana, Iowa, Illinois or any other shotgun area educate me. What’s your gun, a Remington? Mossberg maybe? Twelve or 20? Scope? What’s the best new or old slug on the market? How far can you shoot a deer with one of those dang things (100 yards?). Got any knock-down power to it? You never know, I might pull a tag for shotgun season in Iowa, and I don't mind saying I need all the help I can get.

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from Catpool9 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Well, I must say that after reading 100 post on the reliability/accuracry/ and knockdown power of the 20ga., topped with a reliable scope and fed a diet of the propper ammo, from a rifled sluged gun, has made me a believer in the firearm.

I am 52 yrs., and started out hunting with the 20ga. at age 8yrs. for squirrel/ then deer using buck shot, but soon moved on to the 12ga. after the age of 12yrs., then a rifle at age 14yrs.

I now am looking for something more to my roots of hunting and believe that the 20ga. rifled/scoped sluged gun is exactly what I'm looking for!

I beleve that this has been the most informative thread on the 20ga. that the forum posters of Outdoorlife Magazine has ever had.

Thanks everyone for all your comments, it was a pleasure reading them.

David Harcrow

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from Tina wrote 8 years 18 min ago

You know more than you admit, Sgt. Schultz ;)

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from hanback wrote 8 years 9 min ago

Bravo, you got it!!

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Hey Dave:I use a Winchester 1300 12 Ga. slug gun with a four power scope. Using saboted slugs, I've taken deer to ninety yards. Never had to use more than one slug. With a "standard" behind the shoulder shot (double lung)they usually fall within sight. The last two I took went 10 feet and and about fifty feet respectively. On the smaller of these two, the slug went completely through the deer (this was the 90-yard shot). I'm using three inch magnums. The accuracy and power of these guns is amazing! (And the recoil is visicious, but you don't notice it in the woods.)I don't think I would shoot past one hundred yards, but that is only because I have not practiced at longer ranges. My gun will definetly shoot acceptable and consistent groups up to that distance.As for a 20 Ga., a good friend has taken three deer with his at ranges to about forty yards with no problem. I was in the woods with him for two of these kills, and I can honestly say I would never hesitate to hunt with the smaller shotgun as long as I spent some time on the range beforehand.One of the keys, I believe, is using saboted rounds. Another is getting a few boxes of each of the major ammunition maker's slugs and seeing what your gun does with them. The copper sabots have been best for me.Contact me if you want any more details.Ray

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from Matt wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I, like Hanback, am not very knowledgeable about slugs and slug-hunting. I have a question for you guys that do hunt with slug guns. A blogger in Petzal's forum posted that he killed a deer at 175 yards with a Remington 870 topped with a 3X scope. This story seemed very far-fetched to me (a 3X scope at 175 yards makes for a very small target), what do you guys with slug experience have to day about it?(To read the original post, go to "The Gun Nut Survey" thread, it was posted on February 23 by Rick Rappe)

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from Matt wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

The "S" key and the "D" key are very close together.

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from David wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 500, 24" Rifled Barrel, Red-Dot scope, and I shoot winchester Super-X Sabot Slugs into fist size groupings at 50 yards with open sights and a bench rest. Like Ray said (above), the recoil is pretty rough, but so is the knock-down power of 1oz of lead.The reason I don't use a rifle is because I can't afford one yet. I'm a college student, money is tight.

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from David wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

To clarify, the red-dot is a new addition. Last time I went to the range I only had the factory installed open sights.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Thanks,everybody, great info!

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from Tom Fasbinder, Whitetail Fanatic Magazine wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I shoot a 12 gauge Remington 11-87 with rifled barrel and cantilever scope mount topped with a 2x7 Leupold. The gun is outfitted with a custom synthetic stock and the trigger is set at 4 lbs. With Remington Premiere core-lok slugs or Hornady SST Slugs, the guns effective range is an honest 200 yrds.A similar gun in 20 gauge, set up the same way would likely deliver very similar results with premium ammo although the effective range might be somewhat less than the 200 yards mentioned above.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Tom: I hope to pull an Iowa shotgun tag for Dec. 06 and will try your gun/load setup, cause Rem. will sponsor the TV show I'm shooting for. Thank for commenting.

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from Matt Oursbourn wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I have personally killed a whitetail with a bow set at about 38 pounds. The arrow did not pass completely through the deer (it was quartering away, though) but did pierce both lungs and protrude about 8 inches on the other side. Poundage this low definitely decreases the effective range, but will still kill to at least 20 yards.

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from Andrew Sprow wrote 7 years 51 weeks ago

I mostly use an Ithaca semi-auto in 12ga, slug bbl, with 2.5x scope. I am confident shooting to 100 yds. I use the Brenneke USA 2 3/4" short field magnum. For the price ($3/5rds), they shoot as well as the ($10/5rds) sabots that my grandfather uses in his Mossberg 500 with a rifled bbl.As a side note, though, my first deer was at approx. 100yds with an old 20ga and open sights, but I have to admit that it was more luck than skill, as I have tried 100yd shots with open sights on my 12ga and missed, which is why I use the scope.

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from Karl W Drasgow wrote 7 years 51 weeks ago

HayI live in a shotgun only area and have looked into the questions that are being asked. First off smooth bore shotguns with low cost lead slugs have killed many a deer over the years, they can be reasonable accurate to 60 or 70 yards. Past that distance the slugs slow down below the speed of sound and the sound waves bang them all around. At 60yards you can have a 3 inch group but by 75yards it could be a 10 inch group.Then the sabot slug in light weight copper came along although you needed a more expensive rifled barrel to spin it, they shoot at a much higher velocity there for they retain there accuracy much further. Some as far as 150 yards.Now the question of 12 or 20 gauge? The 12 gauge slug is short & fat compared to the 20 gauge there for the 20 gauge has a much higher ballistic coefficient. The 12 gauge is much heavier than the 20 gauge there for harder to achieve the same velocities. 20 gauge copper solid weighs around 350 grains, that’s plenty big enough. The 20 gauge is simply a better choice for deer.Some other things to keep in mind; if your shotgun shoots 2 3/4 inch slugs use them but if it shoots 3 inch slugs use them. A 2 ¾ inch slug in a 3 inch chamber doesn’t work as well. The big thing is to get the sabot & slug into the rifling as soon as possible if it has time to cock or tip slightly your accuracy drops quickly. Lastly on shotguns the trigger usely is poor at best, the pull is heavy, and there is a lot of creep. A good trigger job by your local Gunsmith can really help your group size.Karl

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from paul guiliano wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

yes i have been hunting deer in ct all my life with a 20ga model 37 ithaca 2 years agoi brough a new deerslayer in a 20ga my son(now 23)is using a rem 870 20ga slug gun i have downed alot of deer with them so yes a 20ga is anuff for deer

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from Rudy Stone, Clarksville, TN wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

My very first gun was a Mossberg, bolt action, 20 ga smooth bore. One in the chamber and two in the box mag. (I was 12 and my dad did not trust me with a rifle yet). I shot several deer with that gun and with other shotguns over the years since. My longest killing shot was about 70 yrds. All had open sights. If I hit them in the chest, they never went far.

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from Vov wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Hi, everybody,I am trying to figure out what scope and what mount should I use on my 12 ga/3" smoothbore FABARM H35 Titan semiauto... It does have a place to install a scope but I have no experiance...Shooting often takes place at dusk and distances rarely reach 100 meters for wild boar here, in Bulgaria, but still it should be fun... Any advice? Please send to my E-mail: vkotsev@yahoo.comThank you

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from Ralph Bernieri wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Hi Mike,Coming from the state of Michigan, I have some experience shotgunning for deer, and black bear, and it is sound advise to find a slug load that your gun likes, and stick to it. All things being equal, shotguns w/slugs have limits that each shooter should be aware of, similar to rifles of course, but at longer ranges.Having shot big game with both rifles,and slugs, I would be very comfortable in saying if a shot is made within 100 yards for deer(50 for black bear)I would take my 12 gauge slug gun, hands down, for the shot. As for 20 gauge, deer I have seen taken is done quite nicely, but bear(or anything larger)I would suggest the 12 gauge--my own personal choice since the bear could take the occasion to attack verses the deer that would run away from the threat.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Everybody, thanks for your great comments, and for the great discussion on slug guns, this is what the Zone is all about!! We've even got VOV from Bulgaria reading! If any of you sluggers can help him out with his scope question above, please shoot him an email, thanks!!

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 48 weeks ago

Dear Mike,I have tried many different slug gun, scope and ammo combinations. While 12 gauge guns will definetly get it done, the recoil is rough. I am currently shooting a mossberg 20 gauge with a boyd's thumbhole stock (it really helps with recoil), a sims pad, and a zeiss conquest 3x9x40 scope. Good optics are a must because of typical dawn/dusk conditions and recoil is rough on scopes. I have used both lightfield slugs and remington copper solids. Out to about 125 yards I can get the gun to hold 3"-4" groups from a bench rest. In the field my longest shot at a deer has been 60 yards. Last season I shot a 130 class deer at 20 yards and he stumbled maybe 30 yards before he piled up. Live weight on the deer was probably 200 pounds or so. 20 gauges will definetly get it done.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

Jstreet, thanks for the comments. I like your approach--sight in for 100 plus, strive for 60 and in kills, just the way I do it.

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from vogel wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

I have hunted for the past 10 years in Iowa with a 20ga rem 1100. this ga will put a deer down at a range of 125 yards or so cleanly.

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from ed dykes wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

I am a retired police officer. I have fired many slugs at targets and conrete blocks and deer. It is a awsome weapon. I have killed deer with the 20guage slug. It is just as deadly as the muzzleloader. I personally would not shoot past 80 yards or sobecuse of accuracy concerns. you can shoot 6 inch groups with a scope and a rifled barrel. thanxs ED in florida

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from Joe wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

Been hunting deer for about 25 yrs in upstate ny. I have only used shotguns, started with an old winchester 16 ga and now shoot a Remington 870 12 ga. Shot boxes of different ammo, it really made a difference. Both guns are smoothbore. Have been using Brenneke 2 3/4 rifled slugs for years and am very pleased with results. Most of my shots are 30 yds or less in woods. Rifled slugs have been great, cant afford a rifled slug barrel. Buddy of mine shoots farm deer all the time with 2o ga sabots in a rifled slug barrel. He practices a lot out to 100 yds no problem.

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from Bill wrote 7 years 46 weeks ago

Ive been hunting with a Mossberg 500 in 20 gauge for about 8 years now, Ive cleanly taken deer with every shot. My farthest to date is a 12pt 227 pound in Missouri at 132 yards, it took 2 steps and was down. The 20 gauge has plenty of knockdown and extemely accurate with the right ammo. I tested many diffrent brands and found my gun to shoot lightfield hybreds the best. It will consistently shoot 3-4" groups at 125 yards. The recoil of the 20 is alot less than the 12 which is why my 12 year old son now shoots the same configuration as me; and he shoots 3-5" groups at 125 yards. You cant go wrong with the 20.

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from steven thompson wrote 7 years 46 weeks ago

not every one , for a variety of reasonss some of will never understand may only have a 20 ga. shotgun; he may use it for squrriels doves rabbits etc. will the 20 ga. sl,ug do the job on deer ? most definitely, the down range accuracy is only as good as the shooter ; who may be more familiar with it than some other hunters with high powered rifles, beware of the man with one gun, he's probably very good and fast with it.

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from Dennis wrote 7 years 45 weeks ago

the 20 gauge will do the job if you take your time. I have shot both large ontario whitetails and big bears with a shotgun in the 12 and 20 gauges. One of the biggest bears i have ever seen was shot be a neighbor in the corn fields using a 20 gauge with slugs. It was a 75+ yard shot and he dropped with one shot.

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from JC wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

(While I am firm believer in using the 20ga in the right place/time a few clarifications should be made to correct some points made earlier. Please keep in mind this info relates to the use modern sabot ammunition...)JC

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

While I agree with JC from a balistic standpoint the differences in some instances are marginal. If you can handle a 12 gauge you will receive better downrange energy but recoil will be much worse. The 20 gauge for me is better because it allows me to be more accurate due to the lesser recoil. In turn I shoot my gun more (today as a matter of fact), and feel more confident. According to Dave Henderson (a nationally known gun writer), as long as your load carries 900 ft lbs of energy at the yardage your longest shot will be, you have ample energy to kill a deer. In the loads I shoot, they still carry the energy necessary out to 100-125 yards. The new Hornady loads will carry it out farther than that in a 20 gauge (according to their ballistic tables). I guess my point is, if you shoot a lesser recoiling gun better and it has ample energy to get the job done, why not use it?jim

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from Don Montpetit wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

Have been using a Rem.870 20 ga. with a 3 inch smooth bore slug barrel with red dot scope for some 12 years on Ontario Whitetails and harvested some 15 whitetails and have not lost a deer to date. All have been taken at less than 100 yds. and usually are down within sight with very little tracking.

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from Matt -Central NY wrote 7 years 41 weeks ago

Hey all,I just want to say i have hunted for 7 yrs with a .20 gauge. In those years i harvested 3 bucks and 4 does, all with the .20 gauge. The farthest shot was a 6 pt at 90 paces. I use lightfield ammunition, it holds great groups and hits hard. Each deer only took one shot and ALL but one fell within yards of impact.

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from nick wrote 7 years 40 weeks ago

some peaple think that 20 gauge is not enough for deer but i have to disagree. I live in ohio and last year had taken a 140 class deer he ran 100 yards but hat is only becase we later found out the simmions scope lens was a little tilted but when we sented it back they sent use a whole new scope and customer service was great. i was happy with the nef single shot slug gun with the heavy barrel and the remington copper soild slugs. the deer i shot was field dressed at 198 pounds. my grandpa which was with me at the time on the ohio youth hunt is now thinking about swithing to 20 gauge becsuse of the lower recoil and the litter weight of the gun it self. so all of you hunters out there i would not be afraid of using a 20 guage with the newer slugs that are shooting a sizziling fast 2000 fps it is becoming a 12 guage

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from Jonathan wrote 7 years 36 weeks ago

My family has always chosen to use a 20 gauge slug gun. The 5 or 6 of us that hunt with remington 870 20 ga. with rifled barrels have taken over 30 deer. In actuality a 20 gauge is a flatter shooting gauge with slightly less drop. The lightfields we generally shoot still put out over 900 foot pounds and velocity over 1000 f.p.s at 125 yards plus you dont have the jump or recoil that you have with a 12 gauge. After 125 yards it does drop so I do believe that would be about the limit. As long as we have hunted we have never lost a deer to "to little" of a caliber. The very few that we have lost have all been due to bad shot placement.

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from Bob wrote 7 years 35 weeks ago

My son and I both use Rem 20ga and both are smooth bore 26” barrels feed basic rifled slugs. Both are toped with a ‘saddle’ type scope mount and 1.5x4x32 scopes. To date there has never been a problem with the effectiveness of this combination on over 2 dozen deer. We do not shoot past 70 yards and both will hold a 3 ½ group at this distance. I do have to say that rifled slugs WILL foul a smooth bore and must be cleaned regularly, even at the range while zeroing.I see a lot of discussion about distances and ‘how far’, as with all guns the range is limited more by the shooter then that firearm selected. You have to get to know you particular combination at the range and know ‘your’ limits. I have seen competent shooters ‘pull’ rounds with 12ga 3” shells simply from fear of the recoil and have converted more than a few to the 20 for just this reason.I have nothing against a 12ga for deer but think that in most cases and definitely for most people the 20 is just as good if not a little better. Just my $.02

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from Bob wrote 7 years 35 weeks ago

Almost forgot to mention that my son pulls his scope and uses his 20ga for ducks with great results. I know what many will say but those are the ones that think 50, 60, 70 yard shots are the norm. Get them to 20 or 25 yards and watch that 20 work.Work them to their finall set and wait till you can count there toes and it works just fine.Besides it is alot of fun working those decoy shy ducks that have been 'sky blasted'.

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from Mason parker wrote 7 years 32 weeks ago

I use a remington 1100 20gauge w/ a hastings slug barrel and I have killed 3 deer at 90-100 yards with it, my father uses a Remington 1187 12gauge whith a remington slug barrel and his groups at 100 yards are not as tight as mine.yes a 20 guage is great for deer HOWEVER DO NOT USE sabbots w/ a 20guage.....then you are shooting a 4-10 and whats the point. by the way if you have ever killed a deer w/ a 12 gauge sabbot then you killed it w/ a 20gauge slug

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from tyler stancil wrote 7 years 31 weeks ago

yes i use a 20 ga, it is a great gun if i do say so my-self i've killed 6 deer the biggest was a 12 pointer, but my son uses a 12 ga and just last yr killed an 11 pointer but tht is the biggest deer i've ever layed eyes on so way-2-go.

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from Frizzle wrote 7 years 31 weeks ago

I have a Mossberg 500 20 ga. that came with a 2x scope and my dad took it out one day and took a spike at 75 or 80 yards in one shot. Almost everyone at our deer camp uses a 20 and the only two people with 12's have not taken a deer there in at least 5 years probably many more.

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from Will wrote 7 years 30 weeks ago

In Ohio, where Im from, we can only use shotguns OR muzzle loaders during our gun season. My advise : Leave the shotgun in the safe and take the muzzle gun! Only one shot, but the acuracy and range shure makes up for it! (God willing, you will only need one!)

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from chris wrote 7 years 29 weeks ago

I have been using a 20 GA Mossberg 500 for about 12 years now and taken deer every year. Up until this year I have used Rem. Copper Solids but was starting to doubt the accuracy with this gun. Sure enough, today I compared the group at 45 yards with Hornady SST and found a much tighter group. I will be using them from now on, I believe.As to Bob, who said you should not use sabots in a 20 - my experience is clearly contrary to your advise. Plenty of slug to put a deer down with one shot. I do it regularly and usually at 60 to 75 yards. Our woods doesn't offer too many 100+yard shots but I would not hesitate.

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from fredbear30pt wrote 7 years 27 weeks ago

i guess you guys fotget.........i quit reading the first five messages.......any way my 12 year olld sons 4-10 single shot will and has taken a 12pt buck down.for his first gun i wasnt sure what to use.......after watching him in the field he is nmuch more worthy than the little 4-10

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from fredbear30pt wrote 7 years 27 weeks ago

oh i forgot it was a 65 yard shot

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from Nate A wrote 7 years 26 weeks ago

I've hunted with a smooth-bore, slug-barrel, remington 870 20 guage for 15 years, and taken 15+ deer. Most have been within 30-40 yards. Two years ago I purchased a single shot New England Firearms 20ga with a fully rifled barrel and 1-5x scope for when I'm sitting in my stand. That year I shot a buck at 70 yards, passed through the chest and out the front and broke his front leg above the elbow in mid-step. I droped a Doe at ~100 yards last year, but I had a stand with a gun rest to steady my shot. Without a rest I wouldn't shoot more than 50 just for ethical reasons of accuracy, but not for fear of dropping power. Only benefit of 20 gauge is it is lighter than 12ga and with the heavy New England barrel, feels like a .22 recoil.

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from Nate A wrote 7 years 26 weeks ago

After seeing a couple of the messages about sabots in a 20 I had to write again. I've been shooting sabots (winchester solid) and have no trouble. The comment about the 20 ga sabot being the same as a .410 is rediculous. It isn't the size of the projectile, but the energy behind it that makes knock down power. Energy has to do with amount of propellant. A 20-ga cartridge contains considerably more gunpowder than a .410 bore shell. If Bob's theory were true, a .223 would basically be no different than a .22.

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from Cole wrote 7 years 25 weeks ago

I bought a 20 gauge with my own money last year and it is a single shot smooth bore. I am 14 years old and this is my second year hunting. Is a single shot a good action for deer?

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from Rob wrote 7 years 25 weeks ago

I would just like to add a comment to all of this. I grew up in Iowa and for 5 years I shot a Rem 870 express 20 ga. rifled barrel for deer. I used winchester 3 inch slugs. I shot 3 deer at 100 plus yards and they didn't carry that slug more than 100 yards. I like the 20 ga. Its light and super accurate for a slug gun. It doesn't compete with the 12 ga. when it comes to energy, but if one was to do his homework and sight his gun in properly he or she shouldn't have one issue with the 20 ga. I live in wisconsin now but I plan on hunting Iowa again and when I buy a gun I'll be damned if it isn't a 20 ga.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 24 weeks ago

A 135 yard shot with a 20ga winchester sabotin a mossberg 500 with rifled barrel and a dead 255 lb. with in 35 yards after impact. A 265 grain sabot mv at 2000fps 2300 foot pounds at the muzzle. More than a 30-30. enough said.

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from Jeff Holt wrote 7 years 24 weeks ago

Hi Mike,Here are some facts regarding 20 gauge sluggin' that may help.Please remember, the gun used is equally important to forming an educated decision.To start, ballistics don't lie. Hunter's...well let's leave that alone. Hornady, Remington and Federal all make a 20 ga. slug that travels in excess of 1900 feet per sec. That's fast!!! Especially when the typical (Rem. Slugger type of 12 ga. slug travels at 1150 fps. The hotter the load the less drop, less drop equals greater distance and more accuracy.Comparing fps you must weigh out the kinetic energy (knockdown power)delivered, meaning fps x oz. of slug (Something like that anyway). The weight of slug varies of course but most 20 ga. use a 1 oz saboted bullet vs., a 12 ga. using a 1 5/8 oz. slug. Though knock down power is less with a 20 but, I haven't seen a deer yet that can run around very long with a .44 (that's the size "slug" used in saboted 20 ga.) caliber hole thru them.I just made a big mistake Mike. I called a saboted slug a "slug". It is not. Take a saboted "slug" apart. You'll find it is not a "slug" at all but the exact same "bullet" used in .50 caliber black powder guns. Does a .50 cal have enough energy to take a whitetail?Take a typical hollow point slug apart (Rem Slugger for example) and you'll find it is in fact a "Slug". A hollow nosed chunk of lead that is awesome out to say 60 to 80 yards? Much less expensive and work well, just not the distance or accuracy of a sabot.Now factor in the way your shoulder feels after you finish sighting in, The 20 wins every time. Add in the "no flinch factor" from kick anticipation and you'll find the gauge I shoot.I've been blessed to have taken a 130+, 9 point @ 146 yards using my T/C encore in 20 ga., Nikon 3 x 9 x 40, I'm sighted in at 1 1/2 inches high @ 100 yds. When my buddies and I decide to go to our farm and blast some stuffed animals or bottled waters for target practice, I've been accurate out to 200 yards. Jeff

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from Michael wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

I also shoot a 20 gauge when I make it up to Illinois in the fall. I have consistent groups of 6 inches at 205 yards, and the Remington core lokt has more than enough kinectic energy still available at that range to down the biggest whitetails. I believe I could ethically shoot beyond that range if needed, BUT....range is directly limited by accuracy. A stiff breeze or rainy weather would cause my ethical range to drop significantly shorter. The main thing about the 20 gauge is how hard I can laugh at my hunting buddies' bruises and whining after sighting in their 12 gauges. My lack of fear of the recoil enables me to shoot circles around them. My Rem 870 with Rem slug barrel is topped with a 3-9x Nikon and I'm pushing Rem core-lokt slugs. The furthest/largest deer I have killed with this combo was a 160 yard shot on a big 9 point that field dressed 275lbs (yes I have a range finder and yes the deer was weighed on an accurate scale). He wheeled and fell within 10 yards of the shot and never raised his head. The main thing is to know your own limitations on shot placement because with today's slugs, it's not the slugs fault for the big one that gets away, it's yours.

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from DSR wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

Just started to use a Mossberg 20 g. Slugster smooth bore. I'm trying to sight in a fancy scope--mainly my son's influence. My question is what is the trajectory drop from 25 yd to A)50yd B)75yd C)100yd using 2 3/4 in Winchester slugs? Having some trouble with the scope as the gun is shooting low.Last attempt at correction was to shim the back ring of the scope mount. Seems to have helped.

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from Hal's Gunsmithing wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

One thing I did not see anyone mention is the fact that a rifled cantilever barrel will allow someone to extend their range with any caliber shotgun compared to a gun with a scope mounted on the receiver or open sights with a smooth bore. Guns with removealbe barrels will allow the barrel to move althought it may only be slight. So what I'm trying to say is a persons range may very from 50 yds. to 150 yds. depending on their gun and ammo combonation. I also prefer the 20 gauge because it's lighter and kicks less witch helps to make me a better shooter and it's more than adaquate for deer. The entrance wound could even be greater than a high power rifle because the rifle bullet has not had time to expand yet.

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from Hal's Gunsmithing wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

One thing I did not see anyone mention is the fact that a rifled cantilever barrel will allow someone to extend their range with any caliber shotgun compared to a gun with a scope mounted on the receiver or open sights with a smooth bore. Guns with removealbe barrels will allow the barrel to move althought it may only be slight. So what I'm trying to say is a persons range may very from 50 yds. to 150 yds. depending on their gun and ammo combonation. I also prefer the 20 gauge because it's lighter and kicks less witch helps to make me a better shooter and it's more than adaquate for deer. The entrance wound could even be greater than a high power rifle because the rifle bullet has not had time to expand yet.

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from Brad wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Growing up in southern Minnesota where the only thing you can use is shotguns, I am a firm beliver in the 12 gauge, as for my first few years I have used a 20 gauge and I honestly will never go back to one. I shoot a 12 gauge Remington 870 and have a 1.5 x 6 power scope and shoot lightfield slugs, I've dropped alot of deer from 80-100 yrds with no problems. Added on to that I shot A buck of my dreams last year at 150 yrd 151 to be exact using my range finder, and he fell in one shot. So yeah a 20 gauge will work in some cases but when that deer of your dreams stands out in front you you dont wanna be holding on to no kids gun shooting winchester slugs. Be prepared, I always go by one thing. " GO BIG OR GO HOME"

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from kurt wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

I hunt in Ohio with a 20 gauge H and R single and i've killed 2 deer in 2 years[bag limit in my area is 1 per hunter per year]. I killed an 8 point typical my first year and a doe my second year. I'm psyched about this year. 20's are the best and i dont care wat u think[no hate mail please]

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from kurt wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

continuing, i dont use a scope. its my first and only gun and it kicks ass, o ya im 12

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from chris wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Just returned from opening day of shotgun season here in NY and have just finished dinner of fresh tenderloin. Yummmmmm!!!!!20GA Mossburg with Remington Buckhammer slug. Very impressed with the hole. Biggest I've seen yet for a 20GA.

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from John O wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

I've been using horandy sst for the last 2 seasons and I shot 5 deer with five slugs including a nice 8 point i got yesterday with a 125 yard shot.12ga is an incredible 2000 fps with tons of knockdown power don't know the specs for 20ga but I would be willing to bet 100 + yards would be no problem.

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from Rich wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Personally I shot a 12ga 870 since I was 13 (1981). My Dad's motto, was "If your gonna buy something, for a kid, buy something he'll grow into...", that said, my first Woolrich hunting jacket fit me from age 13 to age 22. Same way with the 12ga. At first, it was a beast, a full day of squirrel hunting = a sore shoulder... but as the years have flown by, that 12ga is my best friend ! Every year I've bagged buck, after buck, after buck with it, last year a nice 10pt. I recently shot a 20ga and there sure is a recoil difference... but so what ?I've become so used to my 12ga, that I no longer have a flinch (easy way to test your friend at the range - Tell him you want to put the load in his gun, and close the action with no shell in it. Give the gun back to him, and let him shoot. Watch as he pulls the trigger. Flinch and Blink ? The secret is to let the shooter think the gun is going to go off)... on a quick fire I can pump 5 shells into a 5" target at 50yrds like I was pro or something. The only point I'm trying to get across, is 12ga or 20ga, you've got to get out, grow up with the gun, and use it, know what it can or can't do, take those 80, 100, 125yrd shots at milk jugs, but not at deer. One shot, one kill.... don't just sling lead at them. I'm actually on my way to pick up a new 12ga for my 10yr old son, who just passed his MD hunters safety test. Like my Dad said to me "This is the only shotgun you'll ever need", and he was right ! Except the fact that I can't let my son have a new gun, and not get myself one too !! After tonight, I'll have a new Rem 1100 12ga. And after 11/25/06, they'll be 2 less big bucks in MD !

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from Brandon the buck master wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

some 20ga slugs have better ballistics than some 12ga slugs but I use my inline and i droped a button buck at 90 yards and double lunged it and I am only 12 years old.

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from Brandon the buck master | wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

some 20ga slugs have better ballistics than some 12ga slugs but I use my inline and i droped a button buck at 90 yards and double lunged it and I am only 12 years old and I used power belt platiums and 90 grains of powder.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

i hunt with buckshot

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

iargee i do to

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

really all i use is a 20gage my shells are 3inc long what do you use what do you use

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from dave wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

I have a mossberg 20 ga (1970),bolt action,with a acu-choke set on improved cylinder.I am 45 yrs old and have shot more whitetails with this gun than any of my other guns.I have killed deer up to about 80 yrds.

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from Cole wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

NOBODY HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET

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from Cole wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

Today I was out shooting down some trees with some of my buddies and we were using 2 20 gauge shotguns with winchester hollow point slugs. My other friend was using a 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs and i only fired it twice and my shoulder is sore. But to me it actually didnt kick that bad. Im kinda tough for a 13 y/o for my size.

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from lung blood wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

barnes expanders by federal,12 ga.,2 3/4",3/4 0z. in a 870 wingmaster with a 26" rifled barrel and 3x9x40 nikon prostaff scope shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 150 yards.These sabots will also knock a mature buck on its ass before it can even start to run.

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from Josh wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

I have killed 14 deer with a 20 guage and several of those deer were about 75 to 100 yards away. If you have a quality rifled shotgun and is sighted in correctly, you can kill deer all day long out to 100 yards.

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from bv wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

A very recoil sensitive group. My word, get sturdy!BV

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from bv wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

A very recoil sensitive group. My word, get sturdy!BV

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from Tom wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 20 gauge with a Simmons scope, it chambers 2 and 2 and three fourth in. slugs

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from Jordan Spitlr wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

Somewhat ironic, but just last Sunday i killed an 8 point whitetail, which weighed in at around 200 lbs. I was shooting a Mossberg 500, unrifled 24" barrel, with the cheapest slugs they had at the local WalMart, which happened to be *goes to shooting drawer to see what they are* Winchester Super-X 5/8oz saboted 20ga slugs. I dropped the deer at 20 yards with a shot to the chest, which traveled through the other side.

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from Brandon wrote 7 years 19 weeks ago

Hi there, I hunt in the shotgun zone in lower Michigan. I have hunted all of my short life with a winchester model 120 ranger, with a 28" beaded sight smooth bore barrel. I shoot the cheapest slugs I can find, usually remington sluggers or the brenneke k.o. I have shot deer out to 75yds. with this fire arm and at the range can get 3" groups at 50yds. This was my grandfathers old shotgun and can still throw a slug with the best of them. The shotgun is outfitted with the winchoke system in which I shoot slugs through the Imp. Cylinder. The nice thing about this gun is that it will also keep a nice pattern with 000 buck out to about 40yds. My best friend and long time hunting partner has hunted all of his life and taken many deer with a 20ga. He has his 20ga. mossberg equipped with a scope and a rifled slug barrel. I have personally witnessed him take a deer at 75yds. with this firearm. One thing many don't realize is that there is not much difference in a .50cal muzzleloader and a 20ga. they have almost the same bore diameter and knockdown.So the moral of my story must be that it doesn't matter what gun you shoot but how good you shoot it.

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from Kent Bazer wrote 7 years 19 weeks ago

Hey guys i have a dumb question. I have a 20 guage single-shot break over made by New England Firearm. It has a smooth bore and i haven't ever shot a sabot out of it. Can someone let me know if it will be good enough to kill a deer at 45-50 yds. It has no scope just a beed at the end of the barrel. Thanks

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards will their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. will plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just may a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards with their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. with plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just may a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards with their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. with plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just make a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from Pete McNeely wrote 7 years 14 weeks ago

Hi,I recently read that the Model 120 Ranger made by Winchester was a limited edition of only 1500 in 10,12,16 and 20 guage and are now worth $1600.00 and a youth can go as high as $2200.00 for one. I have hunted with a 12 guage model 12 for about 20 years. I remember a game warden in Joliet Illinois asking me how to unload it during a check. However I can not remember how many deer have falling to it. I can assure you it has been a lot more than the years I have owned it. I love this gun I feel as though I could never part with it for any price. I hunt with a bow also but nothing makes me feel more of an American than using my shotgun to take a deer. I own several rifles as well but I feel you only need to take a shot of about 75 yards that way you can see a little behind it for safety. I don't know if anyone would actually pay the $1600.00 but anyone wanting a good dependable shotgun for all around hunting my suggestion is to look for a Winchester. They are cheaper than a Remington and don't rattle like a Mosseburg.Pete

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from Larry Long wrote 7 years 13 weeks ago

The 20 is plenty of gun out to 200 yards with some preparation and practice. I shoot a Contender Encore in 20 ga. It has a rifle trigger pull, and a 3 X 10 scope. The shotgun is weighted to reduce recoil and minimize muzzle movement during trigger pull. I use the 1900 fps, 45 caliber Winchester sabot. This slug approximates 45-70 ballistics. The slug/gun comination was accurate enough for me to take six deer in Illinois this season. All were taken with a single shot to the neck and none took a step after the shot. The longest shot this year was 124 yards.

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from SPC.VOGEL wrote 7 years 12 weeks ago

I have been hunting deer for the past 12 years in Iowa with a Rem. 1100 20ga. the shotgun has open sights. i have been able to take a deer out to 100 meters with no problem. I have always partyed hunted and have never been disappointed when it comes to taking deer. it always stops the deer just as fast as a 12ga. You just have to place your shot right.

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from chuck hunter wrote 7 years 10 weeks ago

why the talk of 12 ga. vs 20 ga.put the slug where it is supposed to go !!and start cleaning and dragging !!!!!!!!!!

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from andrew wrote 7 years 5 days ago

I shoot a remington 870,with a 3x scope and can knock down deer all day out to 100 yards, I get 3 inch gruops at 100 with it, and nothing can beat the knock down power of a 12 gauge, I've never had a deer run more than 15 yards before dropping...

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from Brad wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I used a Ranger 120 20 Gauge for years hunting - Bushnell 3x Scope with smooth bore and Winchester Super X Rifled Hollow Points -- my first Deer I took at 73 yards down a Pine Row -- that gun had never failed - never jammed - was always right on the money whenever I squeezed that trigger - my dad has a 12g Rem 1100 and he never fails to take deer through thick underbrush with it but it beats on your shoulder - now I am using a .243 Savage with AccuTrigger and it drives tacks at 200 yards but with Remington Core Lokt 100 grain bullets it does the job .... no matter what you shoot -- as long as its a big game caliber gun - shot placement is still the only thing that matters.

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from JM wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Only problem with the Mossberg 20 gauge is the lack of a Security (18.5") barrel. If you could get one, you would have the perfect weapon for every occasion with a quick and almost effortless change of barrel. 26" Acc-uset with choke tubes for every type of small game, 24" rifled Slug for large game, and a good short barrel 18.5" for dense brush, home defense, and CQB (if the SHTF).. what else would you need?

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from JM wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Just for the record (and in my humble opinion..) I think that if you're shooting at an animal over 150 yards away, you're not a hunter, you're a sniper.

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from Indiana Adam wrote 6 years 37 weeks ago

The two bucks on my wall and the many deer that have gone in my freezer over the years would certainly disagree with the notion that a 20 ga. isn't "enough gun" for whitetails.I've been using a Remington 870 in 20 ga. for 12 years now. Bought the combo setup with the smoothbore slug barrel and fed it a steady diet of Breneckes for the first 8 years, and brought home meat every year. I got a Hastings rifled barrel about 4 years ago and have continued to fill tags every year. I'm not trying to snipe dear from long range with this gun...but with good shot placement, I'm confident that my "little 20 ga." will bring home the backstrap.

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from Southern Illinois Mike wrote 6 years 37 weeks ago

Hi, I've been hunting Illinois' shotgun season for a few years now. I shot my first deer with a smooth-bore Remington 870 20 gauge with nothing but a bead sight. Of course the 90 lb. doe was only 45 yds away, but I was pretty pumped. When deer season came around the next year I decided to buy a true slug gun. I went to my local gun dealer and bought a H&R fully rifled 12 gauge. I added a nikon 3-9X scope to make an impressive combo. I believe this was a great investment considering the gun and scope combine only cost a cool $300. After sighting in, I could put 3 lightfield slugs in a 2in. bull's eye at 100 yds.

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from Ross wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 500 20 ga. and dropped all the deer i got in their tracks. i use regular old winchester 2 3/4 sabot slugs but this season i am trying the hornady SST. A 20 ga. has all the power you need for whitetail. Remember the limitations of any weapon you use!

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from Ross Pennsylvania wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I Forgot, i use a 2x9 40mm Nikon scope sighted in at 50 yrds about 1" groups. in Pa you don't get too many long shots.longest shot wasd 43 yrds. closest was 6 yrds. Don't use a rifle scope on any shotgun i tried it and they can't take the beating. Use a shotgun scope they are cheap enough and work great!

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from hycrest archery shooter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I've killed 15 deer with a winchester model 1300 20 guage and I'd put that gun up against any 12 when it comes to a 100 yard group with open/ scoped sights(doesn't matter) and i dont even shoot sabots, I shoot the old pumpkin balls for 2.29 a box!!! you guys who think a 20 is too small are ignorant!! hell i've killed plenty of deer with a 410 easily!!! come on guys use your heads!! this wasn't a hard?

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from 10x wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I have the Ithaca Deerslayer II in 20 guage - rifled barrel with a solid barrel receiver.It has a 2.5 to 8 Leupold and does 2" at 100 yards with the 2 3/4" winchester lead sabot or the remington copper. Nothing else will do it.It drills through every deer - except once it went from middle rib to neck in a quartering away shot.

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from Matt Peterson wrote 6 years 30 weeks ago

I read the comment about a 20 being enough for a deer. I use a 20 ga. Rem. 870 with a fully rifled barrel. I've seen guys I hunt with use 12 gauges and lose some nice bucks. I've been hunting with this gun for 5 years now and every deer I've shot went down. I use Light Field slugs and they hit harder then any other slug I've used. I dropped a 200 lb.-10 pt. buck last winter in eastern Iowa at about 125 yards. I've read some of the posts above about 20 ga. guns reaching out to 150-200 yd. That is most likely bull unless they are using a 12 gauge Remington copper-solid or a Hornady polymer tip slug. If they hit a deer with a slug at 200+ yds. they are easily aiming at the sky and hoping the drop of the bullet is about right. If you want to deer hunt in Iowa where the woods can be thick and shots wont be more then 150 yd. then a 20ga. will meet any challenge you have.

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from Nate wrote 6 years 28 weeks ago

I shot my first deer with an Ithaca Model 37 smoothbore deerslayer in 20 gauge. The deer ran 50 yards from my shot in its lungs. I have since purchased a Browning A-5 Light Twenty (Belgian) to shoot cheaper slugs on drives, but my main slug gun is an 11-87 Premier with a cantilever rifled barrel. Shooting Lightfield EXP rifled slugs I can hold 3" and smaller groups all day long. I can hold 6" or smaller groups off hand shooting. The twenty will kill a deer, a 12 will drop it where it stands. A well placed shot taken ethically will put meat in the freezer.

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from Bryan J. McCarthy (Navy Chief) wrote 6 years 26 weeks ago

Hey guys,I have had my best grouping at the range and live in the woods with the 12 guage setup. I shoot a Rem. 870 express magnum, with a Hastings rifled barrel / cantilever scope mount. I have it mounted with a simmonds 8 pt scope. I have shot around 10-15 different typed of slugs and have stuck with the Winchester supreme partician Gold for the past 3 years. At the range, I can hit a Pie plate every time at 150yds, with 3 1/2" groups at 100 yds. This round far exceeds the others, and i have heard that there is a newer version on the market this year. Good luck out there.Bryan

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from SoMdMusician wrote 6 years 25 weeks ago

Long story short...If you'd hunt deer with a muzzleloader... you'd hunt deer with a 20 gauge.

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from Frank wrote 6 years 23 weeks ago

Hey guys,I just want to make a comment about how the guys hunt at the deer camp my dad and I go to. Out there, in Wisconsin, almost everyone packs two or three guns. Even though it is not a shotgun area, each guy often brings a 20Ga. Why? Because we hunt dense brush, and out there a light 20 is just the ticket for small drives and still hunting. Take the camp master for example, he packs a 20 Ga, a .30/30 (model 94), and a .300 Wby Mag. We know which two get used the most, right ;) ? And other favorite of 1 of the hunters is a .30/30 / 20 Ga Savage O/U combo. Sure there are the .30-06s and 7mms, but the 20 Ga just get used a lot. By the way, I was the first person to bring a 20Ga with a rifled barrel to camp. While they praised my Mossberg 500, they told me I might as well just use my smooth barrel. Ha, some guys! Well, they get the job done anyway. I still like our Marlin .30/30 better for deer, but I feel more familar with the 20 b/c I spend a lot more time hunting with it for grouse and rabbits. Still not sure which I'll use this year.

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from Neal Keifer wrote 6 years 23 weeks ago

Everybody on here is going to think I am crazy, but 2 years ago, I hit a doe at about 175 yards, with my 20 gauge 870, rifled barrel, and heres the kicker, open sites. This was also before I learned how bad shooting regular lead Remington slugs out of a true rifled barrel is on the barrel. I know this is hard to believe, but it was more luck than anything. But it proves 20 gauges can be deadly well over 100 yards. I have since added a red dot scope and shoot expensive Hornady SST 2 3/4in slugs.

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from JJ wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

I have been hunting for 30+ year with Slugs in Upstate NY. Started out with the common US slugs, moving to more powerful German slugs in 20 ga & 12. My monster 12 point was taken two years ago with Remington Ultra Core Locks in 12 Ga at 200+ yards. I move to Winchesters new 12Ga Elite Supremes and taken a nive buck at 130 yards. The gun is a Savage F210 with a Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly scope. This gun can consistently shoot 1.5" groups at 150 yards.Slugs, barrels and guns have come a long ways. 20Ga is nice for close shots, however would not recommend anything beyond 75 yards. Look at the ballistics. Brenneke 20 drops 3.2 inches at 100 yards, Remington Slugger 20 drops almost a foot. Energy is less than 800Foot per pound at 100yards.Energy with a Winchester Elite Supreme 12ga at 100yards is 2300foot per pound with zero drop.

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from Landon wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

A 20 ga Hornady SST sabot has an 8.5" drop at 200yds when zeroed at 150yds, the energy is becoming a bit lower than one would like, but if it isn't windy and a good rest is present it is consistant shot. (1000+ft-lbs is ideal)You cannot make claims of the effectivness of a 20ga without an understanding of its balistics. Yes the 12 ga does have a more effective kill range due to the extra mass of the slug but I feel that for many shooters this will be undermined as kick of a 12ga can have a serious impact on accuracy.20 gauges kill effectively, period.20 Gauge 250 gr. SST Slug 86232Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)Muzzle 50 yd 100 yd 150 yd 200 yd1800/1798 1628/1471 1470/1200 1331/983 1212/815Trajectory (inches)Muzzle 50 yd 100 yd 150 yd 200 yd-1.5 2.5 3.3 0.0 -8.2

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from lance wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey with all of the pros and cons of rifles, shotguns, handguns, etc. for deer it is a matter of opinon. My grandfather refuse's to shoot a deer of any size no futher than 50 yards with buckshot. Me being 23 years old and knowing it all (as he likes to remind me everytime I step into his den of monster trophys) I still have a lot of learning to do before I can sit and wait on a nice 8 pointer to walk within 50 yards. My mossberg 500 20 gauge is a smothbore shotgun that i slug hunt with. I shoot fedral's trueball slugs sighted in at 100 yards dead on and about 1" high at 50 with 3' drop at 150 yards. I have shot three deer this year all with my 20 Gauge and not one has went futher than 30 yards from the shot. The furtherest of which was 120 yards away. I love it. Less recoil than my 12 and still 3/4 ounces of lead. I know there will be those of you who disagree but after about a 100 shells and a couple 100 bucks I found the shells that work the best for my gun. All I can say is spend a little time on the range and a little bit more money and find what works best for you.

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from lance wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

Hey with all of the pros and cons of rifles, shotguns, handguns, etc. for deer it is a matter of opinon. My grandfather refuse's to shoot a deer of any size no futher than 50 yards with buckshot. Me being 23 years old and knowing it all (as he likes to remind me everytime I step into his den of monster trophys) I still have a lot of learning to do before I can sit and wait on a nice 8 pointer to walk within 50 yards. My mossberg 500 20 gauge is a smothbore shotgun that i slug hunt with. I shoot fedral's trueball slugs sighted in at 100 yards dead on and about 1" high at 50 with 3' drop at 150 yards. I have shot three deer this year all with my 20 Gauge and not one has went futher than 30 yards from the shot. The furtherest of which was 120 yards away. I love it. Less recoil than my 12 and still 3/4 ounces of lead. I know there will be those of you who disagree but after about a 100 shells and a couple 100 bucks I found the shells that work the best for my gun. All I can say is spend a little time on the range and a little bit more money and find what works best for you.

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from Matt Peterson wrote 6 years 30 weeks ago

I read the comment about a 20 being enough for a deer. I use a 20 ga. Rem. 870 with a fully rifled barrel. I've seen guys I hunt with use 12 gauges and lose some nice bucks. I've been hunting with this gun for 5 years now and every deer I've shot went down. I use Light Field slugs and they hit harder then any other slug I've used. I dropped a 200 lb.-10 pt. buck last winter in eastern Iowa at about 125 yards. I've read some of the posts above about 20 ga. guns reaching out to 150-200 yd. That is most likely bull unless they are using a 12 gauge Remington copper-solid or a Hornady polymer tip slug. If they hit a deer with a slug at 200+ yds. they are easily aiming at the sky and hoping the drop of the bullet is about right. If you want to deer hunt in Iowa where the woods can be thick and shots wont be more then 150 yd. then a 20ga. will meet any challenge you have.

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from Landon wrote 6 years 18 weeks ago

A 20 ga Hornady SST sabot has an 8.5" drop at 200yds when zeroed at 150yds, the energy is becoming a bit lower than one would like, but if it isn't windy and a good rest is present it is consistant shot. (1000+ft-lbs is ideal)You cannot make claims of the effectivness of a 20ga without an understanding of its balistics. Yes the 12 ga does have a more effective kill range due to the extra mass of the slug but I feel that for many shooters this will be undermined as kick of a 12ga can have a serious impact on accuracy.20 gauges kill effectively, period.20 Gauge 250 gr. SST Slug 86232Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)Muzzle 50 yd 100 yd 150 yd 200 yd1800/1798 1628/1471 1470/1200 1331/983 1212/815Trajectory (inches)Muzzle 50 yd 100 yd 150 yd 200 yd-1.5 2.5 3.3 0.0 -8.2

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from JJ wrote 6 years 22 weeks ago

I have been hunting for 30+ year with Slugs in Upstate NY. Started out with the common US slugs, moving to more powerful German slugs in 20 ga & 12. My monster 12 point was taken two years ago with Remington Ultra Core Locks in 12 Ga at 200+ yards. I move to Winchesters new 12Ga Elite Supremes and taken a nive buck at 130 yards. The gun is a Savage F210 with a Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly scope. This gun can consistently shoot 1.5" groups at 150 yards.Slugs, barrels and guns have come a long ways. 20Ga is nice for close shots, however would not recommend anything beyond 75 yards. Look at the ballistics. Brenneke 20 drops 3.2 inches at 100 yards, Remington Slugger 20 drops almost a foot. Energy is less than 800Foot per pound at 100yards.Energy with a Winchester Elite Supreme 12ga at 100yards is 2300foot per pound with zero drop.

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from Neal Keifer wrote 6 years 23 weeks ago

Everybody on here is going to think I am crazy, but 2 years ago, I hit a doe at about 175 yards, with my 20 gauge 870, rifled barrel, and heres the kicker, open sites. This was also before I learned how bad shooting regular lead Remington slugs out of a true rifled barrel is on the barrel. I know this is hard to believe, but it was more luck than anything. But it proves 20 gauges can be deadly well over 100 yards. I have since added a red dot scope and shoot expensive Hornady SST 2 3/4in slugs.

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from Nate wrote 6 years 28 weeks ago

I shot my first deer with an Ithaca Model 37 smoothbore deerslayer in 20 gauge. The deer ran 50 yards from my shot in its lungs. I have since purchased a Browning A-5 Light Twenty (Belgian) to shoot cheaper slugs on drives, but my main slug gun is an 11-87 Premier with a cantilever rifled barrel. Shooting Lightfield EXP rifled slugs I can hold 3" and smaller groups all day long. I can hold 6" or smaller groups off hand shooting. The twenty will kill a deer, a 12 will drop it where it stands. A well placed shot taken ethically will put meat in the freezer.

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from 10x wrote 6 years 31 weeks ago

I have the Ithaca Deerslayer II in 20 guage - rifled barrel with a solid barrel receiver.It has a 2.5 to 8 Leupold and does 2" at 100 yards with the 2 3/4" winchester lead sabot or the remington copper. Nothing else will do it.It drills through every deer - except once it went from middle rib to neck in a quartering away shot.

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from paul guiliano wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

yes i have been hunting deer in ct all my life with a 20ga model 37 ithaca 2 years agoi brough a new deerslayer in a 20ga my son(now 23)is using a rem 870 20ga slug gun i have downed alot of deer with them so yes a 20ga is anuff for deer

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from Frank wrote 6 years 23 weeks ago

Hey guys,I just want to make a comment about how the guys hunt at the deer camp my dad and I go to. Out there, in Wisconsin, almost everyone packs two or three guns. Even though it is not a shotgun area, each guy often brings a 20Ga. Why? Because we hunt dense brush, and out there a light 20 is just the ticket for small drives and still hunting. Take the camp master for example, he packs a 20 Ga, a .30/30 (model 94), and a .300 Wby Mag. We know which two get used the most, right ;) ? And other favorite of 1 of the hunters is a .30/30 / 20 Ga Savage O/U combo. Sure there are the .30-06s and 7mms, but the 20 Ga just get used a lot. By the way, I was the first person to bring a 20Ga with a rifled barrel to camp. While they praised my Mossberg 500, they told me I might as well just use my smooth barrel. Ha, some guys! Well, they get the job done anyway. I still like our Marlin .30/30 better for deer, but I feel more familar with the 20 b/c I spend a lot more time hunting with it for grouse and rabbits. Still not sure which I'll use this year.

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from SoMdMusician wrote 6 years 25 weeks ago

Long story short...If you'd hunt deer with a muzzleloader... you'd hunt deer with a 20 gauge.

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from Bryan J. McCarthy (Navy Chief) wrote 6 years 26 weeks ago

Hey guys,I have had my best grouping at the range and live in the woods with the 12 guage setup. I shoot a Rem. 870 express magnum, with a Hastings rifled barrel / cantilever scope mount. I have it mounted with a simmonds 8 pt scope. I have shot around 10-15 different typed of slugs and have stuck with the Winchester supreme partician Gold for the past 3 years. At the range, I can hit a Pie plate every time at 150yds, with 3 1/2" groups at 100 yds. This round far exceeds the others, and i have heard that there is a newer version on the market this year. Good luck out there.Bryan

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from hycrest archery shooter wrote 6 years 34 weeks ago

I've killed 15 deer with a winchester model 1300 20 guage and I'd put that gun up against any 12 when it comes to a 100 yard group with open/ scoped sights(doesn't matter) and i dont even shoot sabots, I shoot the old pumpkin balls for 2.29 a box!!! you guys who think a 20 is too small are ignorant!! hell i've killed plenty of deer with a 410 easily!!! come on guys use your heads!! this wasn't a hard?

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from Ross Pennsylvania wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I Forgot, i use a 2x9 40mm Nikon scope sighted in at 50 yrds about 1" groups. in Pa you don't get too many long shots.longest shot wasd 43 yrds. closest was 6 yrds. Don't use a rifle scope on any shotgun i tried it and they can't take the beating. Use a shotgun scope they are cheap enough and work great!

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from Ross wrote 6 years 35 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 500 20 ga. and dropped all the deer i got in their tracks. i use regular old winchester 2 3/4 sabot slugs but this season i am trying the hornady SST. A 20 ga. has all the power you need for whitetail. Remember the limitations of any weapon you use!

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from Southern Illinois Mike wrote 6 years 37 weeks ago

Hi, I've been hunting Illinois' shotgun season for a few years now. I shot my first deer with a smooth-bore Remington 870 20 gauge with nothing but a bead sight. Of course the 90 lb. doe was only 45 yds away, but I was pretty pumped. When deer season came around the next year I decided to buy a true slug gun. I went to my local gun dealer and bought a H&R fully rifled 12 gauge. I added a nikon 3-9X scope to make an impressive combo. I believe this was a great investment considering the gun and scope combine only cost a cool $300. After sighting in, I could put 3 lightfield slugs in a 2in. bull's eye at 100 yds.

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from Indiana Adam wrote 6 years 37 weeks ago

The two bucks on my wall and the many deer that have gone in my freezer over the years would certainly disagree with the notion that a 20 ga. isn't "enough gun" for whitetails.I've been using a Remington 870 in 20 ga. for 12 years now. Bought the combo setup with the smoothbore slug barrel and fed it a steady diet of Breneckes for the first 8 years, and brought home meat every year. I got a Hastings rifled barrel about 4 years ago and have continued to fill tags every year. I'm not trying to snipe dear from long range with this gun...but with good shot placement, I'm confident that my "little 20 ga." will bring home the backstrap.

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from JM wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Just for the record (and in my humble opinion..) I think that if you're shooting at an animal over 150 yards away, you're not a hunter, you're a sniper.

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from JM wrote 6 years 38 weeks ago

Only problem with the Mossberg 20 gauge is the lack of a Security (18.5") barrel. If you could get one, you would have the perfect weapon for every occasion with a quick and almost effortless change of barrel. 26" Acc-uset with choke tubes for every type of small game, 24" rifled Slug for large game, and a good short barrel 18.5" for dense brush, home defense, and CQB (if the SHTF).. what else would you need?

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from Brad wrote 6 years 50 weeks ago

I used a Ranger 120 20 Gauge for years hunting - Bushnell 3x Scope with smooth bore and Winchester Super X Rifled Hollow Points -- my first Deer I took at 73 yards down a Pine Row -- that gun had never failed - never jammed - was always right on the money whenever I squeezed that trigger - my dad has a 12g Rem 1100 and he never fails to take deer through thick underbrush with it but it beats on your shoulder - now I am using a .243 Savage with AccuTrigger and it drives tacks at 200 yards but with Remington Core Lokt 100 grain bullets it does the job .... no matter what you shoot -- as long as its a big game caliber gun - shot placement is still the only thing that matters.

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from andrew wrote 7 years 5 days ago

I shoot a remington 870,with a 3x scope and can knock down deer all day out to 100 yards, I get 3 inch gruops at 100 with it, and nothing can beat the knock down power of a 12 gauge, I've never had a deer run more than 15 yards before dropping...

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from chuck hunter wrote 7 years 10 weeks ago

why the talk of 12 ga. vs 20 ga.put the slug where it is supposed to go !!and start cleaning and dragging !!!!!!!!!!

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from SPC.VOGEL wrote 7 years 12 weeks ago

I have been hunting deer for the past 12 years in Iowa with a Rem. 1100 20ga. the shotgun has open sights. i have been able to take a deer out to 100 meters with no problem. I have always partyed hunted and have never been disappointed when it comes to taking deer. it always stops the deer just as fast as a 12ga. You just have to place your shot right.

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from Larry Long wrote 7 years 13 weeks ago

The 20 is plenty of gun out to 200 yards with some preparation and practice. I shoot a Contender Encore in 20 ga. It has a rifle trigger pull, and a 3 X 10 scope. The shotgun is weighted to reduce recoil and minimize muzzle movement during trigger pull. I use the 1900 fps, 45 caliber Winchester sabot. This slug approximates 45-70 ballistics. The slug/gun comination was accurate enough for me to take six deer in Illinois this season. All were taken with a single shot to the neck and none took a step after the shot. The longest shot this year was 124 yards.

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from Pete McNeely wrote 7 years 14 weeks ago

Hi,I recently read that the Model 120 Ranger made by Winchester was a limited edition of only 1500 in 10,12,16 and 20 guage and are now worth $1600.00 and a youth can go as high as $2200.00 for one. I have hunted with a 12 guage model 12 for about 20 years. I remember a game warden in Joliet Illinois asking me how to unload it during a check. However I can not remember how many deer have falling to it. I can assure you it has been a lot more than the years I have owned it. I love this gun I feel as though I could never part with it for any price. I hunt with a bow also but nothing makes me feel more of an American than using my shotgun to take a deer. I own several rifles as well but I feel you only need to take a shot of about 75 yards that way you can see a little behind it for safety. I don't know if anyone would actually pay the $1600.00 but anyone wanting a good dependable shotgun for all around hunting my suggestion is to look for a Winchester. They are cheaper than a Remington and don't rattle like a Mosseburg.Pete

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards with their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. with plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just make a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards with their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. with plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just may a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from poe o'connor wrote 7 years 18 weeks ago

i use a remington 870 12 ga. but i am about to buy a 20 ga. they are just as good on deer as a 12 ga. i have friends and a girlfriend who can kill deer at a 100+ yards will their 20 ga. as any 12 ga. will plain old rifled slugs with smooth bore and fully rifled barrels!!! my friend this season got two bucks that would score in the 170" class!!! the 20 ga. has a whole lot less recoil!!! just remember the 20 ga. slug is still bigger than a muzzleloader bullet and many people rely on them!!! just may a good shot and the rewards will be good too!! good luck no matter what your choice!!!

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from Kent Bazer wrote 7 years 19 weeks ago

Hey guys i have a dumb question. I have a 20 guage single-shot break over made by New England Firearm. It has a smooth bore and i haven't ever shot a sabot out of it. Can someone let me know if it will be good enough to kill a deer at 45-50 yds. It has no scope just a beed at the end of the barrel. Thanks

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from Brandon wrote 7 years 19 weeks ago

Hi there, I hunt in the shotgun zone in lower Michigan. I have hunted all of my short life with a winchester model 120 ranger, with a 28" beaded sight smooth bore barrel. I shoot the cheapest slugs I can find, usually remington sluggers or the brenneke k.o. I have shot deer out to 75yds. with this fire arm and at the range can get 3" groups at 50yds. This was my grandfathers old shotgun and can still throw a slug with the best of them. The shotgun is outfitted with the winchoke system in which I shoot slugs through the Imp. Cylinder. The nice thing about this gun is that it will also keep a nice pattern with 000 buck out to about 40yds. My best friend and long time hunting partner has hunted all of his life and taken many deer with a 20ga. He has his 20ga. mossberg equipped with a scope and a rifled slug barrel. I have personally witnessed him take a deer at 75yds. with this firearm. One thing many don't realize is that there is not much difference in a .50cal muzzleloader and a 20ga. they have almost the same bore diameter and knockdown.So the moral of my story must be that it doesn't matter what gun you shoot but how good you shoot it.

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from Jordan Spitlr wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

Somewhat ironic, but just last Sunday i killed an 8 point whitetail, which weighed in at around 200 lbs. I was shooting a Mossberg 500, unrifled 24" barrel, with the cheapest slugs they had at the local WalMart, which happened to be *goes to shooting drawer to see what they are* Winchester Super-X 5/8oz saboted 20ga slugs. I dropped the deer at 20 yards with a shot to the chest, which traveled through the other side.

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from Tom wrote 7 years 20 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 20 gauge with a Simmons scope, it chambers 2 and 2 and three fourth in. slugs

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from bv wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

A very recoil sensitive group. My word, get sturdy!BV

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from bv wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

A very recoil sensitive group. My word, get sturdy!BV

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from Josh wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

I have killed 14 deer with a 20 guage and several of those deer were about 75 to 100 yards away. If you have a quality rifled shotgun and is sighted in correctly, you can kill deer all day long out to 100 yards.

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from lung blood wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

barnes expanders by federal,12 ga.,2 3/4",3/4 0z. in a 870 wingmaster with a 26" rifled barrel and 3x9x40 nikon prostaff scope shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 150 yards.These sabots will also knock a mature buck on its ass before it can even start to run.

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from Cole wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

Today I was out shooting down some trees with some of my buddies and we were using 2 20 gauge shotguns with winchester hollow point slugs. My other friend was using a 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs and i only fired it twice and my shoulder is sore. But to me it actually didnt kick that bad. Im kinda tough for a 13 y/o for my size.

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from dave wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

I have a mossberg 20 ga (1970),bolt action,with a acu-choke set on improved cylinder.I am 45 yrs old and have shot more whitetails with this gun than any of my other guns.I have killed deer up to about 80 yrds.

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

really all i use is a 20gage my shells are 3inc long what do you use what do you use

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

iargee i do to

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

i hunt with buckshot

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from Brandon the buck master | wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

some 20ga slugs have better ballistics than some 12ga slugs but I use my inline and i droped a button buck at 90 yards and double lunged it and I am only 12 years old and I used power belt platiums and 90 grains of powder.

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from Brandon the buck master wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

some 20ga slugs have better ballistics than some 12ga slugs but I use my inline and i droped a button buck at 90 yards and double lunged it and I am only 12 years old.

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from Rich wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Personally I shot a 12ga 870 since I was 13 (1981). My Dad's motto, was "If your gonna buy something, for a kid, buy something he'll grow into...", that said, my first Woolrich hunting jacket fit me from age 13 to age 22. Same way with the 12ga. At first, it was a beast, a full day of squirrel hunting = a sore shoulder... but as the years have flown by, that 12ga is my best friend ! Every year I've bagged buck, after buck, after buck with it, last year a nice 10pt. I recently shot a 20ga and there sure is a recoil difference... but so what ?I've become so used to my 12ga, that I no longer have a flinch (easy way to test your friend at the range - Tell him you want to put the load in his gun, and close the action with no shell in it. Give the gun back to him, and let him shoot. Watch as he pulls the trigger. Flinch and Blink ? The secret is to let the shooter think the gun is going to go off)... on a quick fire I can pump 5 shells into a 5" target at 50yrds like I was pro or something. The only point I'm trying to get across, is 12ga or 20ga, you've got to get out, grow up with the gun, and use it, know what it can or can't do, take those 80, 100, 125yrd shots at milk jugs, but not at deer. One shot, one kill.... don't just sling lead at them. I'm actually on my way to pick up a new 12ga for my 10yr old son, who just passed his MD hunters safety test. Like my Dad said to me "This is the only shotgun you'll ever need", and he was right ! Except the fact that I can't let my son have a new gun, and not get myself one too !! After tonight, I'll have a new Rem 1100 12ga. And after 11/25/06, they'll be 2 less big bucks in MD !

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from John O wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

I've been using horandy sst for the last 2 seasons and I shot 5 deer with five slugs including a nice 8 point i got yesterday with a 125 yard shot.12ga is an incredible 2000 fps with tons of knockdown power don't know the specs for 20ga but I would be willing to bet 100 + yards would be no problem.

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from chris wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Just returned from opening day of shotgun season here in NY and have just finished dinner of fresh tenderloin. Yummmmmm!!!!!20GA Mossburg with Remington Buckhammer slug. Very impressed with the hole. Biggest I've seen yet for a 20GA.

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from kurt wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

continuing, i dont use a scope. its my first and only gun and it kicks ass, o ya im 12

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from kurt wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

I hunt in Ohio with a 20 gauge H and R single and i've killed 2 deer in 2 years[bag limit in my area is 1 per hunter per year]. I killed an 8 point typical my first year and a doe my second year. I'm psyched about this year. 20's are the best and i dont care wat u think[no hate mail please]

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from Brad wrote 7 years 22 weeks ago

Growing up in southern Minnesota where the only thing you can use is shotguns, I am a firm beliver in the 12 gauge, as for my first few years I have used a 20 gauge and I honestly will never go back to one. I shoot a 12 gauge Remington 870 and have a 1.5 x 6 power scope and shoot lightfield slugs, I've dropped alot of deer from 80-100 yrds with no problems. Added on to that I shot A buck of my dreams last year at 150 yrd 151 to be exact using my range finder, and he fell in one shot. So yeah a 20 gauge will work in some cases but when that deer of your dreams stands out in front you you dont wanna be holding on to no kids gun shooting winchester slugs. Be prepared, I always go by one thing. " GO BIG OR GO HOME"

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from Hal's Gunsmithing wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

One thing I did not see anyone mention is the fact that a rifled cantilever barrel will allow someone to extend their range with any caliber shotgun compared to a gun with a scope mounted on the receiver or open sights with a smooth bore. Guns with removealbe barrels will allow the barrel to move althought it may only be slight. So what I'm trying to say is a persons range may very from 50 yds. to 150 yds. depending on their gun and ammo combonation. I also prefer the 20 gauge because it's lighter and kicks less witch helps to make me a better shooter and it's more than adaquate for deer. The entrance wound could even be greater than a high power rifle because the rifle bullet has not had time to expand yet.

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from Hal's Gunsmithing wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

One thing I did not see anyone mention is the fact that a rifled cantilever barrel will allow someone to extend their range with any caliber shotgun compared to a gun with a scope mounted on the receiver or open sights with a smooth bore. Guns with removealbe barrels will allow the barrel to move althought it may only be slight. So what I'm trying to say is a persons range may very from 50 yds. to 150 yds. depending on their gun and ammo combonation. I also prefer the 20 gauge because it's lighter and kicks less witch helps to make me a better shooter and it's more than adaquate for deer. The entrance wound could even be greater than a high power rifle because the rifle bullet has not had time to expand yet.

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from DSR wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

Just started to use a Mossberg 20 g. Slugster smooth bore. I'm trying to sight in a fancy scope--mainly my son's influence. My question is what is the trajectory drop from 25 yd to A)50yd B)75yd C)100yd using 2 3/4 in Winchester slugs? Having some trouble with the scope as the gun is shooting low.Last attempt at correction was to shim the back ring of the scope mount. Seems to have helped.

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from Michael wrote 7 years 23 weeks ago

I also shoot a 20 gauge when I make it up to Illinois in the fall. I have consistent groups of 6 inches at 205 yards, and the Remington core lokt has more than enough kinectic energy still available at that range to down the biggest whitetails. I believe I could ethically shoot beyond that range if needed, BUT....range is directly limited by accuracy. A stiff breeze or rainy weather would cause my ethical range to drop significantly shorter. The main thing about the 20 gauge is how hard I can laugh at my hunting buddies' bruises and whining after sighting in their 12 gauges. My lack of fear of the recoil enables me to shoot circles around them. My Rem 870 with Rem slug barrel is topped with a 3-9x Nikon and I'm pushing Rem core-lokt slugs. The furthest/largest deer I have killed with this combo was a 160 yard shot on a big 9 point that field dressed 275lbs (yes I have a range finder and yes the deer was weighed on an accurate scale). He wheeled and fell within 10 yards of the shot and never raised his head. The main thing is to know your own limitations on shot placement because with today's slugs, it's not the slugs fault for the big one that gets away, it's yours.

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from Jeff Holt wrote 7 years 24 weeks ago

Hi Mike,Here are some facts regarding 20 gauge sluggin' that may help.Please remember, the gun used is equally important to forming an educated decision.To start, ballistics don't lie. Hunter's...well let's leave that alone. Hornady, Remington and Federal all make a 20 ga. slug that travels in excess of 1900 feet per sec. That's fast!!! Especially when the typical (Rem. Slugger type of 12 ga. slug travels at 1150 fps. The hotter the load the less drop, less drop equals greater distance and more accuracy.Comparing fps you must weigh out the kinetic energy (knockdown power)delivered, meaning fps x oz. of slug (Something like that anyway). The weight of slug varies of course but most 20 ga. use a 1 oz saboted bullet vs., a 12 ga. using a 1 5/8 oz. slug. Though knock down power is less with a 20 but, I haven't seen a deer yet that can run around very long with a .44 (that's the size "slug" used in saboted 20 ga.) caliber hole thru them.I just made a big mistake Mike. I called a saboted slug a "slug". It is not. Take a saboted "slug" apart. You'll find it is not a "slug" at all but the exact same "bullet" used in .50 caliber black powder guns. Does a .50 cal have enough energy to take a whitetail?Take a typical hollow point slug apart (Rem Slugger for example) and you'll find it is in fact a "Slug". A hollow nosed chunk of lead that is awesome out to say 60 to 80 yards? Much less expensive and work well, just not the distance or accuracy of a sabot.Now factor in the way your shoulder feels after you finish sighting in, The 20 wins every time. Add in the "no flinch factor" from kick anticipation and you'll find the gauge I shoot.I've been blessed to have taken a 130+, 9 point @ 146 yards using my T/C encore in 20 ga., Nikon 3 x 9 x 40, I'm sighted in at 1 1/2 inches high @ 100 yds. When my buddies and I decide to go to our farm and blast some stuffed animals or bottled waters for target practice, I've been accurate out to 200 yards. Jeff

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 24 weeks ago

A 135 yard shot with a 20ga winchester sabotin a mossberg 500 with rifled barrel and a dead 255 lb. with in 35 yards after impact. A 265 grain sabot mv at 2000fps 2300 foot pounds at the muzzle. More than a 30-30. enough said.

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from Rob wrote 7 years 25 weeks ago

I would just like to add a comment to all of this. I grew up in Iowa and for 5 years I shot a Rem 870 express 20 ga. rifled barrel for deer. I used winchester 3 inch slugs. I shot 3 deer at 100 plus yards and they didn't carry that slug more than 100 yards. I like the 20 ga. Its light and super accurate for a slug gun. It doesn't compete with the 12 ga. when it comes to energy, but if one was to do his homework and sight his gun in properly he or she shouldn't have one issue with the 20 ga. I live in wisconsin now but I plan on hunting Iowa again and when I buy a gun I'll be damned if it isn't a 20 ga.

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from Cole wrote 7 years 25 weeks ago

I bought a 20 gauge with my own money last year and it is a single shot smooth bore. I am 14 years old and this is my second year hunting. Is a single shot a good action for deer?

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from Nate A wrote 7 years 26 weeks ago

After seeing a couple of the messages about sabots in a 20 I had to write again. I've been shooting sabots (winchester solid) and have no trouble. The comment about the 20 ga sabot being the same as a .410 is rediculous. It isn't the size of the projectile, but the energy behind it that makes knock down power. Energy has to do with amount of propellant. A 20-ga cartridge contains considerably more gunpowder than a .410 bore shell. If Bob's theory were true, a .223 would basically be no different than a .22.

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from Nate A wrote 7 years 26 weeks ago

I've hunted with a smooth-bore, slug-barrel, remington 870 20 guage for 15 years, and taken 15+ deer. Most have been within 30-40 yards. Two years ago I purchased a single shot New England Firearms 20ga with a fully rifled barrel and 1-5x scope for when I'm sitting in my stand. That year I shot a buck at 70 yards, passed through the chest and out the front and broke his front leg above the elbow in mid-step. I droped a Doe at ~100 yards last year, but I had a stand with a gun rest to steady my shot. Without a rest I wouldn't shoot more than 50 just for ethical reasons of accuracy, but not for fear of dropping power. Only benefit of 20 gauge is it is lighter than 12ga and with the heavy New England barrel, feels like a .22 recoil.

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from fredbear30pt wrote 7 years 27 weeks ago

oh i forgot it was a 65 yard shot

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from fredbear30pt wrote 7 years 27 weeks ago

i guess you guys fotget.........i quit reading the first five messages.......any way my 12 year olld sons 4-10 single shot will and has taken a 12pt buck down.for his first gun i wasnt sure what to use.......after watching him in the field he is nmuch more worthy than the little 4-10

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from chris wrote 7 years 29 weeks ago

I have been using a 20 GA Mossberg 500 for about 12 years now and taken deer every year. Up until this year I have used Rem. Copper Solids but was starting to doubt the accuracy with this gun. Sure enough, today I compared the group at 45 yards with Hornady SST and found a much tighter group. I will be using them from now on, I believe.As to Bob, who said you should not use sabots in a 20 - my experience is clearly contrary to your advise. Plenty of slug to put a deer down with one shot. I do it regularly and usually at 60 to 75 yards. Our woods doesn't offer too many 100+yard shots but I would not hesitate.

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from Will wrote 7 years 30 weeks ago

In Ohio, where Im from, we can only use shotguns OR muzzle loaders during our gun season. My advise : Leave the shotgun in the safe and take the muzzle gun! Only one shot, but the acuracy and range shure makes up for it! (God willing, you will only need one!)

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from Frizzle wrote 7 years 31 weeks ago

I have a Mossberg 500 20 ga. that came with a 2x scope and my dad took it out one day and took a spike at 75 or 80 yards in one shot. Almost everyone at our deer camp uses a 20 and the only two people with 12's have not taken a deer there in at least 5 years probably many more.

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from tyler stancil wrote 7 years 31 weeks ago

yes i use a 20 ga, it is a great gun if i do say so my-self i've killed 6 deer the biggest was a 12 pointer, but my son uses a 12 ga and just last yr killed an 11 pointer but tht is the biggest deer i've ever layed eyes on so way-2-go.

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from Mason parker wrote 7 years 32 weeks ago

I use a remington 1100 20gauge w/ a hastings slug barrel and I have killed 3 deer at 90-100 yards with it, my father uses a Remington 1187 12gauge whith a remington slug barrel and his groups at 100 yards are not as tight as mine.yes a 20 guage is great for deer HOWEVER DO NOT USE sabbots w/ a 20guage.....then you are shooting a 4-10 and whats the point. by the way if you have ever killed a deer w/ a 12 gauge sabbot then you killed it w/ a 20gauge slug

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from Bob wrote 7 years 35 weeks ago

Almost forgot to mention that my son pulls his scope and uses his 20ga for ducks with great results. I know what many will say but those are the ones that think 50, 60, 70 yard shots are the norm. Get them to 20 or 25 yards and watch that 20 work.Work them to their finall set and wait till you can count there toes and it works just fine.Besides it is alot of fun working those decoy shy ducks that have been 'sky blasted'.

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from Bob wrote 7 years 35 weeks ago

My son and I both use Rem 20ga and both are smooth bore 26” barrels feed basic rifled slugs. Both are toped with a ‘saddle’ type scope mount and 1.5x4x32 scopes. To date there has never been a problem with the effectiveness of this combination on over 2 dozen deer. We do not shoot past 70 yards and both will hold a 3 ½ group at this distance. I do have to say that rifled slugs WILL foul a smooth bore and must be cleaned regularly, even at the range while zeroing.I see a lot of discussion about distances and ‘how far’, as with all guns the range is limited more by the shooter then that firearm selected. You have to get to know you particular combination at the range and know ‘your’ limits. I have seen competent shooters ‘pull’ rounds with 12ga 3” shells simply from fear of the recoil and have converted more than a few to the 20 for just this reason.I have nothing against a 12ga for deer but think that in most cases and definitely for most people the 20 is just as good if not a little better. Just my $.02

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from Jonathan wrote 7 years 36 weeks ago

My family has always chosen to use a 20 gauge slug gun. The 5 or 6 of us that hunt with remington 870 20 ga. with rifled barrels have taken over 30 deer. In actuality a 20 gauge is a flatter shooting gauge with slightly less drop. The lightfields we generally shoot still put out over 900 foot pounds and velocity over 1000 f.p.s at 125 yards plus you dont have the jump or recoil that you have with a 12 gauge. After 125 yards it does drop so I do believe that would be about the limit. As long as we have hunted we have never lost a deer to "to little" of a caliber. The very few that we have lost have all been due to bad shot placement.

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from nick wrote 7 years 40 weeks ago

some peaple think that 20 gauge is not enough for deer but i have to disagree. I live in ohio and last year had taken a 140 class deer he ran 100 yards but hat is only becase we later found out the simmions scope lens was a little tilted but when we sented it back they sent use a whole new scope and customer service was great. i was happy with the nef single shot slug gun with the heavy barrel and the remington copper soild slugs. the deer i shot was field dressed at 198 pounds. my grandpa which was with me at the time on the ohio youth hunt is now thinking about swithing to 20 gauge becsuse of the lower recoil and the litter weight of the gun it self. so all of you hunters out there i would not be afraid of using a 20 guage with the newer slugs that are shooting a sizziling fast 2000 fps it is becoming a 12 guage

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from Matt -Central NY wrote 7 years 41 weeks ago

Hey all,I just want to say i have hunted for 7 yrs with a .20 gauge. In those years i harvested 3 bucks and 4 does, all with the .20 gauge. The farthest shot was a 6 pt at 90 paces. I use lightfield ammunition, it holds great groups and hits hard. Each deer only took one shot and ALL but one fell within yards of impact.

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from Don Montpetit wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

Have been using a Rem.870 20 ga. with a 3 inch smooth bore slug barrel with red dot scope for some 12 years on Ontario Whitetails and harvested some 15 whitetails and have not lost a deer to date. All have been taken at less than 100 yds. and usually are down within sight with very little tracking.

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

While I agree with JC from a balistic standpoint the differences in some instances are marginal. If you can handle a 12 gauge you will receive better downrange energy but recoil will be much worse. The 20 gauge for me is better because it allows me to be more accurate due to the lesser recoil. In turn I shoot my gun more (today as a matter of fact), and feel more confident. According to Dave Henderson (a nationally known gun writer), as long as your load carries 900 ft lbs of energy at the yardage your longest shot will be, you have ample energy to kill a deer. In the loads I shoot, they still carry the energy necessary out to 100-125 yards. The new Hornady loads will carry it out farther than that in a 20 gauge (according to their ballistic tables). I guess my point is, if you shoot a lesser recoiling gun better and it has ample energy to get the job done, why not use it?jim

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from JC wrote 7 years 43 weeks ago

(While I am firm believer in using the 20ga in the right place/time a few clarifications should be made to correct some points made earlier. Please keep in mind this info relates to the use modern sabot ammunition...)JC

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from Dennis wrote 7 years 45 weeks ago

the 20 gauge will do the job if you take your time. I have shot both large ontario whitetails and big bears with a shotgun in the 12 and 20 gauges. One of the biggest bears i have ever seen was shot be a neighbor in the corn fields using a 20 gauge with slugs. It was a 75+ yard shot and he dropped with one shot.

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from steven thompson wrote 7 years 46 weeks ago

not every one , for a variety of reasonss some of will never understand may only have a 20 ga. shotgun; he may use it for squrriels doves rabbits etc. will the 20 ga. sl,ug do the job on deer ? most definitely, the down range accuracy is only as good as the shooter ; who may be more familiar with it than some other hunters with high powered rifles, beware of the man with one gun, he's probably very good and fast with it.

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from Bill wrote 7 years 46 weeks ago

Ive been hunting with a Mossberg 500 in 20 gauge for about 8 years now, Ive cleanly taken deer with every shot. My farthest to date is a 12pt 227 pound in Missouri at 132 yards, it took 2 steps and was down. The 20 gauge has plenty of knockdown and extemely accurate with the right ammo. I tested many diffrent brands and found my gun to shoot lightfield hybreds the best. It will consistently shoot 3-4" groups at 125 yards. The recoil of the 20 is alot less than the 12 which is why my 12 year old son now shoots the same configuration as me; and he shoots 3-5" groups at 125 yards. You cant go wrong with the 20.

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from Joe wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

Been hunting deer for about 25 yrs in upstate ny. I have only used shotguns, started with an old winchester 16 ga and now shoot a Remington 870 12 ga. Shot boxes of different ammo, it really made a difference. Both guns are smoothbore. Have been using Brenneke 2 3/4 rifled slugs for years and am very pleased with results. Most of my shots are 30 yds or less in woods. Rifled slugs have been great, cant afford a rifled slug barrel. Buddy of mine shoots farm deer all the time with 2o ga sabots in a rifled slug barrel. He practices a lot out to 100 yds no problem.

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from ed dykes wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

I am a retired police officer. I have fired many slugs at targets and conrete blocks and deer. It is a awsome weapon. I have killed deer with the 20guage slug. It is just as deadly as the muzzleloader. I personally would not shoot past 80 yards or sobecuse of accuracy concerns. you can shoot 6 inch groups with a scope and a rifled barrel. thanxs ED in florida

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from vogel wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

I have hunted for the past 10 years in Iowa with a 20ga rem 1100. this ga will put a deer down at a range of 125 yards or so cleanly.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 47 weeks ago

Jstreet, thanks for the comments. I like your approach--sight in for 100 plus, strive for 60 and in kills, just the way I do it.

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from jstreet wrote 7 years 48 weeks ago

Dear Mike,I have tried many different slug gun, scope and ammo combinations. While 12 gauge guns will definetly get it done, the recoil is rough. I am currently shooting a mossberg 20 gauge with a boyd's thumbhole stock (it really helps with recoil), a sims pad, and a zeiss conquest 3x9x40 scope. Good optics are a must because of typical dawn/dusk conditions and recoil is rough on scopes. I have used both lightfield slugs and remington copper solids. Out to about 125 yards I can get the gun to hold 3"-4" groups from a bench rest. In the field my longest shot at a deer has been 60 yards. Last season I shot a 130 class deer at 20 yards and he stumbled maybe 30 yards before he piled up. Live weight on the deer was probably 200 pounds or so. 20 gauges will definetly get it done.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Everybody, thanks for your great comments, and for the great discussion on slug guns, this is what the Zone is all about!! We've even got VOV from Bulgaria reading! If any of you sluggers can help him out with his scope question above, please shoot him an email, thanks!!

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from Ralph Bernieri wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Hi Mike,Coming from the state of Michigan, I have some experience shotgunning for deer, and black bear, and it is sound advise to find a slug load that your gun likes, and stick to it. All things being equal, shotguns w/slugs have limits that each shooter should be aware of, similar to rifles of course, but at longer ranges.Having shot big game with both rifles,and slugs, I would be very comfortable in saying if a shot is made within 100 yards for deer(50 for black bear)I would take my 12 gauge slug gun, hands down, for the shot. As for 20 gauge, deer I have seen taken is done quite nicely, but bear(or anything larger)I would suggest the 12 gauge--my own personal choice since the bear could take the occasion to attack verses the deer that would run away from the threat.

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from Vov wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

Hi, everybody,I am trying to figure out what scope and what mount should I use on my 12 ga/3" smoothbore FABARM H35 Titan semiauto... It does have a place to install a scope but I have no experiance...Shooting often takes place at dusk and distances rarely reach 100 meters for wild boar here, in Bulgaria, but still it should be fun... Any advice? Please send to my E-mail: vkotsev@yahoo.comThank you

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from Rudy Stone, Clarksville, TN wrote 7 years 49 weeks ago

My very first gun was a Mossberg, bolt action, 20 ga smooth bore. One in the chamber and two in the box mag. (I was 12 and my dad did not trust me with a rifle yet). I shot several deer with that gun and with other shotguns over the years since. My longest killing shot was about 70 yrds. All had open sights. If I hit them in the chest, they never went far.

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from Karl W Drasgow wrote 7 years 51 weeks ago

HayI live in a shotgun only area and have looked into the questions that are being asked. First off smooth bore shotguns with low cost lead slugs have killed many a deer over the years, they can be reasonable accurate to 60 or 70 yards. Past that distance the slugs slow down below the speed of sound and the sound waves bang them all around. At 60yards you can have a 3 inch group but by 75yards it could be a 10 inch group.Then the sabot slug in light weight copper came along although you needed a more expensive rifled barrel to spin it, they shoot at a much higher velocity there for they retain there accuracy much further. Some as far as 150 yards.Now the question of 12 or 20 gauge? The 12 gauge slug is short & fat compared to the 20 gauge there for the 20 gauge has a much higher ballistic coefficient. The 12 gauge is much heavier than the 20 gauge there for harder to achieve the same velocities. 20 gauge copper solid weighs around 350 grains, that’s plenty big enough. The 20 gauge is simply a better choice for deer.Some other things to keep in mind; if your shotgun shoots 2 3/4 inch slugs use them but if it shoots 3 inch slugs use them. A 2 ¾ inch slug in a 3 inch chamber doesn’t work as well. The big thing is to get the sabot & slug into the rifling as soon as possible if it has time to cock or tip slightly your accuracy drops quickly. Lastly on shotguns the trigger usely is poor at best, the pull is heavy, and there is a lot of creep. A good trigger job by your local Gunsmith can really help your group size.Karl

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from Andrew Sprow wrote 7 years 51 weeks ago

I mostly use an Ithaca semi-auto in 12ga, slug bbl, with 2.5x scope. I am confident shooting to 100 yds. I use the Brenneke USA 2 3/4" short field magnum. For the price ($3/5rds), they shoot as well as the ($10/5rds) sabots that my grandfather uses in his Mossberg 500 with a rifled bbl.As a side note, though, my first deer was at approx. 100yds with an old 20ga and open sights, but I have to admit that it was more luck than skill, as I have tried 100yd shots with open sights on my 12ga and missed, which is why I use the scope.

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from Matt Oursbourn wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I have personally killed a whitetail with a bow set at about 38 pounds. The arrow did not pass completely through the deer (it was quartering away, though) but did pierce both lungs and protrude about 8 inches on the other side. Poundage this low definitely decreases the effective range, but will still kill to at least 20 yards.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Tom: I hope to pull an Iowa shotgun tag for Dec. 06 and will try your gun/load setup, cause Rem. will sponsor the TV show I'm shooting for. Thank for commenting.

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from Tom Fasbinder, Whitetail Fanatic Magazine wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I shoot a 12 gauge Remington 11-87 with rifled barrel and cantilever scope mount topped with a 2x7 Leupold. The gun is outfitted with a custom synthetic stock and the trigger is set at 4 lbs. With Remington Premiere core-lok slugs or Hornady SST Slugs, the guns effective range is an honest 200 yrds.A similar gun in 20 gauge, set up the same way would likely deliver very similar results with premium ammo although the effective range might be somewhat less than the 200 yards mentioned above.

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from hanback wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Thanks,everybody, great info!

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from David wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

To clarify, the red-dot is a new addition. Last time I went to the range I only had the factory installed open sights.

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from David wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I use a Mossberg 500, 24" Rifled Barrel, Red-Dot scope, and I shoot winchester Super-X Sabot Slugs into fist size groupings at 50 yards with open sights and a bench rest. Like Ray said (above), the recoil is pretty rough, but so is the knock-down power of 1oz of lead.The reason I don't use a rifle is because I can't afford one yet. I'm a college student, money is tight.

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from Matt wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

The "S" key and the "D" key are very close together.

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from Matt wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

I, like Hanback, am not very knowledgeable about slugs and slug-hunting. I have a question for you guys that do hunt with slug guns. A blogger in Petzal's forum posted that he killed a deer at 175 yards with a Remington 870 topped with a 3X scope. This story seemed very far-fetched to me (a 3X scope at 175 yards makes for a very small target), what do you guys with slug experience have to day about it?(To read the original post, go to "The Gun Nut Survey" thread, it was posted on February 23 by Rick Rappe)

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from Visitor wrote 7 years 52 weeks ago

Hey Dave:I use a Winchester 1300 12 Ga. slug gun with a four power scope. Using saboted slugs, I've taken deer to ninety yards. Never had to use more than one slug. With a "standard" behind the shoulder shot (double lung)they usually fall within sight. The last two I took went 10 feet and and about fifty feet respectively. On the smaller of these two, the slug went completely through the deer (this was the 90-yard shot). I'm using three inch magnums. The accuracy and power of these guns is amazing! (And the recoil is visicious, but you don't notice it in the woods.)I don't think I would shoot past one hundred yards, but that is only because I have not practiced at longer ranges. My gun will definetly shoot acceptable and consistent groups up to that distance.As for a 20 Ga., a good friend has taken three deer with his at ranges to about forty yards with no problem. I was in the woods with him for two of these kills, and I can honestly say I would never hesitate to hunt with the smaller shotgun as long as I spent some time on the range beforehand.One of the keys, I believe, is using saboted rounds. Another is getting a few boxes of each of the major ammunition maker's slugs and seeing what your gun does with them. The copper sabots have been best for me.Contact me if you want any more details.Ray

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from hanback wrote 8 years 9 min ago

Bravo, you got it!!

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from Tina wrote 8 years 18 min ago

You know more than you admit, Sgt. Schultz ;)

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from Cole wrote 7 years 21 weeks ago

NOBODY HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET

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from Catpool9 wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Well, I must say that after reading 100 post on the reliability/accuracry/ and knockdown power of the 20ga., topped with a reliable scope and fed a diet of the propper ammo, from a rifled sluged gun, has made me a believer in the firearm.

I am 52 yrs., and started out hunting with the 20ga. at age 8yrs. for squirrel/ then deer using buck shot, but soon moved on to the 12ga. after the age of 12yrs., then a rifle at age 14yrs.

I now am looking for something more to my roots of hunting and believe that the 20ga. rifled/scoped sluged gun is exactly what I'm looking for!

I beleve that this has been the most informative thread on the 20ga. that the forum posters of Outdoorlife Magazine has ever had.

Thanks everyone for all your comments, it was a pleasure reading them.

David Harcrow

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