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Survive Anything
Survival shows make good television, but just might cost you your life.
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Understand that much about survivor-type programs is about boosting viewer ratings, not necessarily producing good survival information. The shots are set up for maximum drama, not optimum safety. And there’s often a helicopter rescue team and medical personnel standing by in case something goes wrong. When you’re in your own personal survival situation, things have already gone wrong, or you wouldn’t be there. And there’s no team waiting to pull your butt out of the briar patch. You need to get to basics—like making a fire.
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Good advice, I know alot of yuppies that think they can survive just because they watch man vs wild, i've since stopped wasting my time arguing with them that they shouldn't do the stuff they show on alot of the shows.
Yoda, Amen. You can't argue with or fix stupid. God knows how many people have been sickened, injured or worse from watching those un"reality" shows. Especially since the first time these people try one of those things they learned, they are in a crisis situation and have no clue of what they are doing and don't know what they don't know. Gee, what could go wrong here?
It's a relatively simple matter to practice some of these basic skills at home to get a feel for how it's supposed to go, develop some muscle memory, as it were, prior to going into the wilds.
I am amazed at the woeful ineptitude of so many people who consider themselves to be "outdoorsmen" but could not survive one night out in the boonies without all of their creature comforts.
I believe you are confusing Survivorman with Man vs. Wild. Bear Grills is the one who does the foolish stunts.
Is he trying to teach how to get out of situations? I feel Bear Grills is not out trying to say hey lets jump in a frozen lake, he is trying to say if you find your self in a frozen lake here is what to do. Some of his cliff climing is a little overwheleming but I feel most people know there limits.
I'd have to agree with cheussner--while they're certainly both somewhat of Hollywood's version of wilderness survival, Bear Grills on "Man vs Wild" tends to do the more ludicrous stunts merely for the sake of mugging for the camera. Les Stroud of "Survivorman" has actually taught college courses on survival, so he knows his stuff (granted, what the tv producers want/make him do is a different story).
Could we get some more info on this "drinking your own urine issue?" Not to be crass, but I've heard contradictory reports about this. I know for a fact that it has saved peoples' lives in past survival situations. If that's the case, then why recommend to NEVER EVER do it? I mean, if it's a matter of life or death...???
From a retired ER RN, I may be able to shed some light on the drinking urine question. It is true that some cultures do engage in drinking urine without significant health risks, but in a survival situation, it's not a good idea. The kidneys filter out all sorts of stuff from your body that is not good for you, if you are not dehydrated these toxins will not be concentrated and not have all of the possible serious consequences. But,if you are dehydrated, the bad stuff can be very concentrated. The reason your body is getting rid of it is it's not good for you, and somebody is going to try to drink something that your body is rejecting? If you drink it your body will require more liquid to excrete the stuff you just took in. As your body gets dehydrated and starving for food, it will breakdown fat to obtain energy. A byproduct of fat breakdown are ketones, which can upset the acid base balance of your blood. You see this a lot with patients with uncontrolled diabetes, where it is called DKA or diabetic keto-acidosis. all of these require more liquid in order to compensate for the worsening condition. This is life threatening. Taking in ketones excreted in you urine can further exacerbate a breakdown in proper metabolism. That is to say it can kill you.
You are much better off peeing in the pit you made for your solar still and pure water will condense in the cup at the bottom (if you have done it right) I highly recommend that anyone who goes into the wilds learn how to make a solar still. It used to be kind of a standard in Army survival training. Parachute canopy can be used or a piece of plastic tarp,( I carry an 8'x8' 3-4 mil plastic tarp in my pack, doesn't take up much room and has a lot of uses)
For the people who survived drinking sea water or urine, they were lucky. Anecdotal evidence is very bad to cite as an example of how to do it. there are cases where people drank sea water and made it. Most who do that do not survive, but the reaction of the body is similar.
Okay....this qualifies as "TOO MUCH INFORMATION"
I thought that Bo's information was very interesting.
Thanks Bo, Very informative. I,ve wondered the same as paul bunyan and thought if it came down to it I would have to try if it was life or death. Now we know if we are dehydrated it will make things worse.
Good advice and I am glad I am not the only one fed up with the bogus information found on the survival show in question.
Hi, Uall got this survival stuff down Pat!! I'm going back and C what the Doc's caught lately? Good Job Carry ON!! YOC
The last episode of "Man vs. Wild" that I watched was one a couple of years ago in which Bear Grills was supposedly body floating a mountain stream in the gear he had with him. It was obvious that he had a floatation device under his jacket. That was it for me. As for his long and arduous journeys to "get out", S&R experts are always going to tell lost hunters and fishermen to "stay put" as soon as they know they are lost. Hunker down, get a fire going, get some sort of shelter up, stay warm, hydrated and somehow signal your location. I don't ever see Mr. Gills doing much of that.
In my experience, the only legitimate survival guide that recommends an individual to do anything other than "stay put" is the FM 21-76 US Army Field Manual titled "Survival, Evasion & Escape" That said, It is dealing with a completely different situation than the average person in the US will experience.(Thank God!) Usually then the people you have to evade are trying to invite you to a party you don't want to attend. 'Nuff said there.
When you have someone who is lost and a SAR team is looking for him, any movement by that person will compound the difficulty of his rescue. The job is difficult enough , one doesn't need to throw further kinks in the equation. Cohosam is SO correct. More than one SAR team member has been injured, sometimes critically, due to movement on the part of the rescuee. I understand that panic may set in, but any information that in any way leads one to believe he can get unlost will increase the likelihood that the rescuee will be injured (or killed)as well as the rescuers. Anyone who tries to tell anyone otherwise is irresponsible, ignorant and should be legally culpable for any and all injuries that result from their self-aggrandizement, particularly if they're doing it to show off how much they (think they) know.
There is no one on a SAR team that wants the situation to turn from Search and Rescue to Search and Recovery. Been there, done that, didn't like it.
Thank you Bo, that is very important information. I liked the article.
OK. So let's see if I have this right. In n emergency survival situation, Stay put and cozy up by a fire, signal my position some how and don't drink any pee?
Purplehead,
You got it. You will have a much better chance of being found by SAR if you follow those guidelines. Disregard those and you have a much better chance of being found by the carrion eaters, but you won't care, you'll be the carrion. For me, I'll take the SAR route, it's easier on my family, oh, and me.
just take those shows for what the are, entertainment
Your article sets a lot of things straight for me. Thank you, Bo.
I liked the comment on the fish and bug slides. Our digestive systems are not used to raw protein and the problems it can cause would be more than "minor inconvenience" in this situation.
grmustangs, very good point. On that note, if you find yourself having to cook insects and you have a choice, go with grasshoppers. If you can catch enough to present a decent meal, cook them, in any container that can be sealed enough to keep them from jumping out, be it foil, a tin can with the lid still partially attached, an army mess kit that has the lid, whatever. You will know they are done to perfection when they turn red. After that, you can break off the legs. (they don't provide that much to the bulk and they get caught between your teeth. When you're already in less than optimal conditions, you don't any more annoyances.)
I would recommend that you try it before you go out so you have an idea how to do it. If you have kids you can make a game out of it, give them a prize or a surprise for the kid who catches the most. You don't need to tell them it's a gourmet treat. Hey at home you can melt chocolate and dip the bugs in it. The kid won't know until you tell them.
Good common sense advice followed by some expert info from forum members - quite the resource! I know the Spartans use to train their warriors to deal with fear and how to instill fear in their enemies. In the case of getting lost and the feelings of panic that set in with that realization can be pretty overwhelming. If an individual can not calm down he becomes very vulnerable to the physical risks of being too far from the 7-11. I think each tip from the survival trainer should be preceded with the message, "Stay calm!". Each of the occasions in which I have found myself turned around those feelings of panic come on like a powerful wave. If you are lucky the first time you have a father who comes looking before matters get worse and you learn from your mistake. Nothing like a good scare as a kid for a lesson to be learned well. I'll bet people who make their living in the rescue field would say the moments following the thought "I'm lost!", determine the outcome of the search. Anyone going into the bush who does not give some thought to, "What will I do if?", needs to develop a measure of fear or a better imagination. That little survival kit can be fun to put together and it alone can help to settle the nerves. You had some kind of plan ahead of time and came prepared - comforting with night descending and the bush coming alive with sound and movement.
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From a retired ER RN, I may be able to shed some light on the drinking urine question. It is true that some cultures do engage in drinking urine without significant health risks, but in a survival situation, it's not a good idea. The kidneys filter out all sorts of stuff from your body that is not good for you, if you are not dehydrated these toxins will not be concentrated and not have all of the possible serious consequences. But,if you are dehydrated, the bad stuff can be very concentrated. The reason your body is getting rid of it is it's not good for you, and somebody is going to try to drink something that your body is rejecting? If you drink it your body will require more liquid to excrete the stuff you just took in. As your body gets dehydrated and starving for food, it will breakdown fat to obtain energy. A byproduct of fat breakdown are ketones, which can upset the acid base balance of your blood. You see this a lot with patients with uncontrolled diabetes, where it is called DKA or diabetic keto-acidosis. all of these require more liquid in order to compensate for the worsening condition. This is life threatening. Taking in ketones excreted in you urine can further exacerbate a breakdown in proper metabolism. That is to say it can kill you.
You are much better off peeing in the pit you made for your solar still and pure water will condense in the cup at the bottom (if you have done it right) I highly recommend that anyone who goes into the wilds learn how to make a solar still. It used to be kind of a standard in Army survival training. Parachute canopy can be used or a piece of plastic tarp,( I carry an 8'x8' 3-4 mil plastic tarp in my pack, doesn't take up much room and has a lot of uses)
For the people who survived drinking sea water or urine, they were lucky. Anecdotal evidence is very bad to cite as an example of how to do it. there are cases where people drank sea water and made it. Most who do that do not survive, but the reaction of the body is similar.
I believe you are confusing Survivorman with Man vs. Wild. Bear Grills is the one who does the foolish stunts.
Yoda, Amen. You can't argue with or fix stupid. God knows how many people have been sickened, injured or worse from watching those un"reality" shows. Especially since the first time these people try one of those things they learned, they are in a crisis situation and have no clue of what they are doing and don't know what they don't know. Gee, what could go wrong here?
It's a relatively simple matter to practice some of these basic skills at home to get a feel for how it's supposed to go, develop some muscle memory, as it were, prior to going into the wilds.
I am amazed at the woeful ineptitude of so many people who consider themselves to be "outdoorsmen" but could not survive one night out in the boonies without all of their creature comforts.
In my experience, the only legitimate survival guide that recommends an individual to do anything other than "stay put" is the FM 21-76 US Army Field Manual titled "Survival, Evasion & Escape" That said, It is dealing with a completely different situation than the average person in the US will experience.(Thank God!) Usually then the people you have to evade are trying to invite you to a party you don't want to attend. 'Nuff said there.
When you have someone who is lost and a SAR team is looking for him, any movement by that person will compound the difficulty of his rescue. The job is difficult enough , one doesn't need to throw further kinks in the equation. Cohosam is SO correct. More than one SAR team member has been injured, sometimes critically, due to movement on the part of the rescuee. I understand that panic may set in, but any information that in any way leads one to believe he can get unlost will increase the likelihood that the rescuee will be injured (or killed)as well as the rescuers. Anyone who tries to tell anyone otherwise is irresponsible, ignorant and should be legally culpable for any and all injuries that result from their self-aggrandizement, particularly if they're doing it to show off how much they (think they) know.
There is no one on a SAR team that wants the situation to turn from Search and Rescue to Search and Recovery. Been there, done that, didn't like it.
I'd have to agree with cheussner--while they're certainly both somewhat of Hollywood's version of wilderness survival, Bear Grills on "Man vs Wild" tends to do the more ludicrous stunts merely for the sake of mugging for the camera. Les Stroud of "Survivorman" has actually taught college courses on survival, so he knows his stuff (granted, what the tv producers want/make him do is a different story).
Could we get some more info on this "drinking your own urine issue?" Not to be crass, but I've heard contradictory reports about this. I know for a fact that it has saved peoples' lives in past survival situations. If that's the case, then why recommend to NEVER EVER do it? I mean, if it's a matter of life or death...???
I thought that Bo's information was very interesting.
Thanks Bo, Very informative. I,ve wondered the same as paul bunyan and thought if it came down to it I would have to try if it was life or death. Now we know if we are dehydrated it will make things worse.
Purplehead,
You got it. You will have a much better chance of being found by SAR if you follow those guidelines. Disregard those and you have a much better chance of being found by the carrion eaters, but you won't care, you'll be the carrion. For me, I'll take the SAR route, it's easier on my family, oh, and me.
Good advice, I know alot of yuppies that think they can survive just because they watch man vs wild, i've since stopped wasting my time arguing with them that they shouldn't do the stuff they show on alot of the shows.
The last episode of "Man vs. Wild" that I watched was one a couple of years ago in which Bear Grills was supposedly body floating a mountain stream in the gear he had with him. It was obvious that he had a floatation device under his jacket. That was it for me. As for his long and arduous journeys to "get out", S&R experts are always going to tell lost hunters and fishermen to "stay put" as soon as they know they are lost. Hunker down, get a fire going, get some sort of shelter up, stay warm, hydrated and somehow signal your location. I don't ever see Mr. Gills doing much of that.
Is he trying to teach how to get out of situations? I feel Bear Grills is not out trying to say hey lets jump in a frozen lake, he is trying to say if you find your self in a frozen lake here is what to do. Some of his cliff climing is a little overwheleming but I feel most people know there limits.
Good advice and I am glad I am not the only one fed up with the bogus information found on the survival show in question.
Thank you Bo, that is very important information. I liked the article.
OK. So let's see if I have this right. In n emergency survival situation, Stay put and cozy up by a fire, signal my position some how and don't drink any pee?
Hi, Uall got this survival stuff down Pat!! I'm going back and C what the Doc's caught lately? Good Job Carry ON!! YOC
Your article sets a lot of things straight for me. Thank you, Bo.
I liked the comment on the fish and bug slides. Our digestive systems are not used to raw protein and the problems it can cause would be more than "minor inconvenience" in this situation.
grmustangs, very good point. On that note, if you find yourself having to cook insects and you have a choice, go with grasshoppers. If you can catch enough to present a decent meal, cook them, in any container that can be sealed enough to keep them from jumping out, be it foil, a tin can with the lid still partially attached, an army mess kit that has the lid, whatever. You will know they are done to perfection when they turn red. After that, you can break off the legs. (they don't provide that much to the bulk and they get caught between your teeth. When you're already in less than optimal conditions, you don't any more annoyances.)
I would recommend that you try it before you go out so you have an idea how to do it. If you have kids you can make a game out of it, give them a prize or a surprise for the kid who catches the most. You don't need to tell them it's a gourmet treat. Hey at home you can melt chocolate and dip the bugs in it. The kid won't know until you tell them.
just take those shows for what the are, entertainment
Good common sense advice followed by some expert info from forum members - quite the resource! I know the Spartans use to train their warriors to deal with fear and how to instill fear in their enemies. In the case of getting lost and the feelings of panic that set in with that realization can be pretty overwhelming. If an individual can not calm down he becomes very vulnerable to the physical risks of being too far from the 7-11. I think each tip from the survival trainer should be preceded with the message, "Stay calm!". Each of the occasions in which I have found myself turned around those feelings of panic come on like a powerful wave. If you are lucky the first time you have a father who comes looking before matters get worse and you learn from your mistake. Nothing like a good scare as a kid for a lesson to be learned well. I'll bet people who make their living in the rescue field would say the moments following the thought "I'm lost!", determine the outcome of the search. Anyone going into the bush who does not give some thought to, "What will I do if?", needs to develop a measure of fear or a better imagination. That little survival kit can be fun to put together and it alone can help to settle the nerves. You had some kind of plan ahead of time and came prepared - comforting with night descending and the bush coming alive with sound and movement.
Okay....this qualifies as "TOO MUCH INFORMATION"
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