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# 2 and # 10 r great pics
really makes you think about tommorow
#3 isn't exactly true either, while it maybe true that through the cost of licenses that hunters and fishermen are the largest contributors towards involuntary payments to conservation. Hikers speaking from first hand experience contribute money every year, as well as time and effort towards land conservation and reuse, including trail maintenance that becomes game trails as well as easy access for hunters. This is through club and organizations, as well as use fees. This happens year round, but we won't argue on the numbers because I haven't looked up any stats. If you want to point out something, make the point of the way the opponents are joining the state fish and game boards and using the guise of conservation to eliminate hunting and fishing grounds that the license is helping fund.
#9 makes no sense. Urban sprawl destroys habitat, where will urban sprawl end? It is not our saviour, but our enemy.
The cost figure in the previous post was 11 cents per pound.
The "Dear Heart Soup" name came about because I earned my future wife's affections by feeding her soup made from a deer's heart when she had a stomach problem related to a mal-functioning gall blatter and could only digest low-fat foods.
For you guys out there, the way to a woman's heart is through the stomach.
The meat from the last road kill that I processed yielded about 70 precent of the meat for human consumption that was packaged as ground meat and muscle masses for steaks and roasts, the heart (for Dear Heart Soup), boiled bloodshot meat and bonesfor my dogs. The cost, including energy and fuel was l1 cents per pound. For more info. see my web site hoveysmith.com and blog hoveysmith.wordpress.net. How to do this will be in my book, Backyard Deer Hunting: Converting deer to dinner for pennies per pound.
Road-killed deer were part of my motivation for writing "Backyard Deer Hunting:Converting deer to dinner for pennies per pound" which will be published by AuthorHouse later this Summer. This book has chapters that will teach first-time hunters how to legally find, hunt and kill deer and other game with recipes for putting them on the table. There is even a chapter, The road-kill cafe, which tells how to safely salvage road kills. See my blog, Backyard Deer Hunting, for details.
How much like Europe we are becoming,we have begun to make one of our favorite pastimes and inheritances out of the reach of the avere man. We no longer teach others in schools about our role in the grand scheme of acting as a major part of the food chain and our role in passing on this great heritage. I truly hope hunting is forever...but alas..I think it will shrink with time..more and more.
Mahigir, Complacency is the reason hunting is at risk. To ignore the culture war is to pretend that it is not related to what we as hunters do. We are under assault from a variety of points all of which are trying to fundamentally change who we are as a nation.
In 1943, the number of deer hunter decreased by one half due to a movie called "Bambi" That is just one attack on hunters. If we surrender ourselves to political correctness is the area of the First Amendment, the Second will go even faster. This is all related, if that makes you uncomfortable and don't want to bring it up, you have already surrendered and given up on what makes most of us what we are.
I believe that hunting is too deeply rooted in the hearts and minds of many Americans to be easily pulled from the people who love it so much, but must disagree with what Jbenjimac said about guns:
"If there is no need for hunters what do we need guns for?"
Guns are not only used for hunting.
1) They are used for protection, whether it is for police stopping a criminal, or someone protecting their home and family
2) They are used for the enjoyment of shooting. There has been many a day when my dad and I go to our local range and shoot, just for the fun of it, as many people have with their fathers, grandfathers, or any other family member for a long, long time.
3) Some also hold a certain sentimental value, such as Great-Grandfathers pistol from when he was in WWII, Grandfathers first .22, or a first deer rifle, that would make any such loss hard on our conscience, at least in my family.
4) They are too necessary for the freedom of the people of These United States of America. Would the Revolutionary war have been possible if the British had taken away the Colonies guns? Furthermore, all of the gun owners I know would never give up their guns even IF hunting was out of the picture.
Dear Bo, I agree that attempts at banning hunting are wrong, and I am sure, at least in Minnesota that will never happen, it is too important as a culutral and recreational activity for many differnt people. I would also like to kindly request that you don't use this forum to gripe about unrelated issues such as school prayer. You have a point in defending student's rights to religous expression (remeber that means Muslim prayer groups too) but this is not the place to do it. Lets keep things about hunting and fishing and leavr the culture wars for somewhere else.
BRIAN LYNN NEEDS TO PAY A BIT MORE ATTENTION TO WHAT SOME OF THESE SPEAKERS HAVE SAID . O f the ten reasons only no.1 and 10 hold much water ,starting with JOHN J and BO 'S strong sentiment well spoken does the truth lie, Whenever we as a whole become complacent and unwary shall we surely drop as the buck to the anti's patient arrow ,
It would be a devastating blow to our heritage as Americans if hunting were to be outlawed. But I remember when people never thought prayer in a public setting would be an issue.
This last week in Lexington, KY, I believe, students were gathered in a lunch area to pray for a student whose mother had been killed in an accident. School officials told the children to stop and when the did not cease and desist, these school officials called the cops to get them to stop praying, something the Supreme Court has recently said was legal. There was no intent to have the students arrested of course, just to have law enforcement there for the sake of the children just in case any unwanted or unruly behavior ensued.
That is a devastating blow to our heritage. There are many other people, who have only their own agenda as the thrust of their existence, and I'm afraid the good of the general populace does not play into any of their plans. Most of what is important to them is control. Global warming proponents want you to change. Even though those people violate their own plan for YOU. AlGore's home wastes more energy than more than 20 American households and his monthly electric bill is more than mine is in 2 years.
It's all about how they can control others. If they decide hunting is wrong, they will try to stamp it out. they don't care about how it will affect our environment or anything else, just their own way. They couch their word to evoke feelings, not thought. That is why it's been so easy for them to dupe so many people who can't think for themselves only FEEL.
It does seem to get more expensive, but what about going to state parks (where allowed) and National Forests? Are those out?
Urban sprawl is clearly the nemesis of hunters. While the silver lining to it is that it makes for sketchy conflicts b/t humans and wildlife, wildlife is always the long-term loser. Hunters may enjoy a more successful season, but it is spent in a tree stand overlooking a soccer field adjacent to a mall rather than an actual sustainable setting that would teach hunting habits that would actually e able to be passed on to another generation.
If there is no need for hunters what do we need guns for?
Why do you think they introduced Wolves and are protecting them? They can remove the need for hunters right out of the equasion. They are decimating Elk and Deer population. Despite what the government says. It's only a matter of time before they start shopping on the food chain and our children are on it.
It all comes down to #10. Do we leave the future of hunting up to state bureaucrats and $10,000 trophy hunts, or try to build on a great tradition. In 5 years my son will be old enough to hunt (in PA) and I'm ambivalent. No birds, no hunting on Sunday, no space and lot's of rules. About the only wild hunting worth a dime is bow season for deer. I hope it's different where you all live.
In the Mid-west, at least, the phasing out of CRP will have quite an impact on all wildlife populations and hunting opportunities in the next few years. There is not enough quality public land to support the current demand. When the blue collar hunters lose interest, then groups like NRA,DU, SCI, etc will lose the support they need to hold off the anti's.
I'm a Hunter Ed Instructor in Missouri, and we do have to continue to fight anti-hunting pressures nation-wide. Especially now that we have a Democratic party in control of the county, we'll likely see more movement against hunting and gun ownership. In Missouri,we have one of the best and fastest growing hunting communities of those new to hunting and the largest group are women. Take your kids and grandkids outside, get them involved and off of the computer, television and ipods.
i dont get how people complain about hitting deer with there cars yet wont let you thin the herd on there land if you truly want to exceed in deer management let hunters hunt privite lands otherwise deer will stay there and never be managed think of it like this if you want to keep paying high insurence rates keep your land un huntable till then dont complain about the deer hitting your car our truck!!!!!
In SC the insurance companies are the main reason we have such a long season with higher limits. They spend lots of time and money to try to keep deer off the roads. I'm more than happy to help!
Most timber companies that I've encountered could care less if they lease the land or not. The land is there to generate revenue through timber. I know of one that is getting tested for phosphate mining and if it turns out that way, forget the timber. And forget the hunting leases that are currently there. Right now most timber companies keep their $$ amount per acre with the average rate. And if they find that quality bucks are being taken, the rate can go up.
they can outlaw in all they want but i aint gonna stop itll be just like prohabition, its gonna be to hgard 2 inforce and people will do it wether the law likes it or not
The price of hunting started to rise when it stopped being a hobby and became a business. More and more people wanted to make their living selling the wildlife on their property. Therefore, as a group, they started slowly raising the prices to hunt to make their ends meet. Instead of hunting being a supplement to their income, it became their main source. When the demand increased, more and more people entered the "business". I can see why, its better than working for someone and look how much fun it is.
Hunting will take a hit during this recession and hopefully prices will return to normal. Does it seem normal to pay $10,000-15,000 to shoot a deer?
John J is right. The cost for a resident deer season has already gotten outrages. With the cost for my husband, two sons, and myself its getting close to unaffordable now. Then what will animal rights people do when they are over run by deer raccoon & coyote just to name a few? They wont be so quick to say don't shoot then.
I'm inclined to agree with John J. For the last 20 years I've watched as more southern land is gobbled up by big timber companies or groups of wealthy individuals. The timber companies then lease to those who can afford to pay increasing costs of the lease. A few timber companies make an effort to keep cost per acre to a minimum, but others cater to the highest bidder. That's their right in a free enterprise country, but where does that leave the "average" hunter, struggling to raise a family while trying to pass the tradition of our sport down to his children. I wish someone smarter than I could come up with a way to make it more attractive to the high $$ companies to offer their land at reasonable rates! If our kids are forced to stop hunting, the sport will die in areas of our country. Look at declining license sales if you want proof.
I often think about the full time subsistance hunters up in Alaska. Can you imagine the government telling them that "NO" you can't hunt anymore. Of the 10 reasons I can only see that the last one has a true chance. It's up to us as sportsman to protect what we hold dear.
John J. hit the nail on the head. Cost and a place to hunt are taking a toll in our sport every year.
These 10 items are interesting for discussion except that the socialist movement now afoot cares nothing for any of those issues supported financially by sportsmen. They will figure another way to tax us IF they are really interested in conservation and habitat management.
Hunting, and then fishing soon to follow will become the sport of the socialist elite (aka communist Russia before the wall fell) and the super rich. It is almost there now with hunting tags soaring to $1000 and more and average outfitted western hunts approaching the $8000-10,000 range already.
I don't see hunting outlawed in my life time (58) but I see it getting so expensive with fees, limitations, restrictions, and outright expenses that the everyday worker won't be able to afford it.
I remember back in the 60s my dad quitting duck hunting when the federal bag limit went to 2 ducks. I'll never forget that.
The south shall rise one more time
As a northerner, I tip my hat to the South!
The only one I truly believe is #4.
Why hunting MIGHT die ...
#1: Can you say "hubris?"
It’s nice to think that insurance companies would lobby to keep something like hunting. Remember, as sportsmen and women we can’t ever let down our guard; there are a LOT of ignorant organizations with huge budgets who would love to see hunting, fishing, and trapping as a thing of the past. Whatever your interest is as an outdoorsman support the group that represents you.
Some nice pictures
1. Insurance: Insurance companies pay out $1 billion a year in deer/car collisions. They'll fight to maintain hunting seasons when push comes to shove.
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