i wouldn't rely on any scents or calls as the only way to get this buck .change places where u hunt from as well as time of day stay downwind and be patient ,

it depends on where ur hunting some places require identifaction on ur arrows as well as ur stands

sectional densities and ballistic coefficientcy have already been charted to trajectory tables that can be found on a manufactures table for that bullet and caliber.the design and type of bullets used on different types of game makes interesting talk around campfires , . the main reason some bullets have flatter trajectory than others is lighter bullets generally shoot faster but have less stored energy .

try this on/see what u think/i'd suggest to you a 20 gauge single shot.the recoil is negligible.the benefits is you will learn to get on target better knowing you have one shot,and not being disrespectful to you it's much safer to handle while you learn.Even after youre missed shots you can stil track the game helping you prepare for the day when you move up to a gun that is capable of shoting more than once with a cool head.YOUNGSTERS and I was the same get excited and sometimes shoot in a rush.I promise you that you'll mature into a safer and more efficient hunter using this tactic.

They have moose. caribou.and grizzly in AFRICA ? plus the best fishing in the world ? hmmmm let me think ____ snakes , hot nites and people that don;t speak the same language.

get some camo tape on that pretty stainless steel/ it only takes one little mistake to change the hunt of youre dreams into a nightmare that will keep on youre mind ,late at nite for years to come .check every thing that has the slightest to go wrong and have a back up answer . such as these scopes mentioned/ will you be able to switch to regular sight if the need arises ? is it on zero also ? i always carry one extra round by its self in a easily to get to pocket, it doesn't rattle and i know where it's at, last bit of advice while hunting/ while you eat / drink or relieve youre self keep that rifle close, good luck

I read about a fellow that use to brag he had killed 9 grizzlies with a .22 cal. and well placed shots,this bragging ended when bear ten wasn't hit quite as well .probbably best to use the rifle as a club and spend youre shot as a warning .

a lot of us started w the same bow, its important to match youre arrows to youre draw weight and lenght , aluminum arrows are fine for starters /a flipper arrow rest is cheap but effective for finger shooters . u said inexpensive.make sure your lmbs are tuned to same tightness /arrow nock is center and arrow rest also in alignment/string peep site will help a lot/ as will a stablizer/practice with quietness in mind as any thing loose may cause u nite mares later. find an archery club or shop and learn as much as u can about the simple but complex world of bowhunting .good luck

if youre draw lenght is correct at this lenght keep shootin /youre arm will eventually figure out how to stay out of harms way .

As a boy that loved to hunt these little fellas we only had one rule and that was to eat all that we killed.I'VE ate them over open fires /bbq/fried/broasted and toasted,In my mind though the best is boiled and made with dumplings and gravey,they're all good ways .

SGEORGE , I also use the remington pump {7600} but before i had this rifle i used the remmington 7400 semi auto,a problem developed with it using 180 grain loads as it scarred the ejector slide causing it to jam.this was pointed out to me by a gunsmith that maintained the arsenal at the ft. knox gold vault, so i figured he knew what he was saying.after sanding and polishing this slide it worked ok but my faith was lost on this weapon .he recommended that i not shoot over 165 grains . in the semi auto. SO I switched to the pump and followed his advice on this weapon as well.If after firing youre pump if you choose the 180 grain , check the inside slide for nicking on the afore mentioned slide .hopefully no problem will surface as i haven't tried that myself,no doubt the 180 is preferable for elk, i'm just advising with murphys law in mind. good luck

all types of calls work sometimes after the bucks shed velvet,nothing works every time

rrmont is right on target / the venerable 30,06 is a proven caliber/ there's lots of them so finding a good used one presents no problems,270, and 25.06 would be an advantage at more distant targets but the 30.06 packs more punch at closer ranges and heavier bullets at 220, grains , wide selection of bullet types and weights .

maybe she has fawns that she has sheltered until she returns .If u believe she's barren take her out of the herd..

A simple but effective lesson is dry firing at targets before actual shooting begins/swing with the bird and follow thru for lead realizing that it's hard to lead to much . the more the better.understanding the shot pattern is like a large cyclinder 3 to 4ft, wide and 25 ft. long.also helps. proper stance and learning to shoot with both eyes open the next best step.most experienced shooters are more than willing to help you out if you'll just ask them , keep youre cheeck down and the birds will break . enjoy we all miss

check with youre local dnr anything anyone else tells you is a guess

just an added thouht,if u are able pick up a bow seasons are longer and the skills learned will guadruple youre chances during rifle season.the idea is to travel slower and look longer.good luck and welcome to the brotherhood.

although my main backup is the mag striker and cotton balls dabbed well with vasoline, i also carry a magnifying glass.

I'D like to suggest that you get youre bow set up using field points and when season starts months from now you can change over to an expandable broadhead,by saving less than a dollar a day till then u can afford a good one, RAGE broadheads are the rage for a reason . They perform well.TRY adding a litle each year to your'e wants list buy quality merchandise they ''last longer''. good luck

if u have got the little red ones we cal turkey mites they can make life miserable, i tried everything then finally using sarges tick shampo for dogs i got some relief

two HUGE buck? no problem here, i'd shot them both.

they can indeed be tricky birds,as a young bird hunter i was frustrated when my father took birds in the tree tops while i tried to search for an opening.so i asked him how he managed to shoot thru the trees,his reply was ;what trees?' he said to swing with the bird and shoot when it felt right.that was 40 years ago and i've not had better shooting advise since.youre going to miss some targets,but then they are history all part of the fun,so don't be o hard on youre self.if u shoot for scores then you tend to rush youre shot ,which in a hunting situation you would letthem pass ,so in a way u can develope bad habits.remember with clays the bird looses speed,but wild game is often accelerating.still the overall benefits and fun to be had are beneficial.all this talk makes me wanna break out the old wingmaster and head to stations. good luck and enjoy

rrmont and steve are right about the price,i've been lookin at them to but for clay targets and bird hunting. I've not yet heard of one made with rifelings for shooting slugs /if and when they do 350 dollars would never touch it .

i'm no expert on sharks, but i did read a couple years ago where bull sharks sometimes swim inland several miles along costal water ways. AS far as the GREAT LAKES go i wouldn;t think they could survive long if they some how were intrduced there.

check with DIXIE GUN WORKS they know or already have everything,

the 30.06 accelerator is among the fastest bullets made, period.also they can be hard to find 110 grain hollow points are very capable. I believe the accelerator is a 65 grain bullet .

A CLIMBING LADDER STAND is what i think you're talking about.these work well as a semi=permanent stand they work well over baits and well traveled trails they can be purchased xtra large or for two people that would allow you plenty of room.AS far as a regular climber summit viper has my vote.

i've seen the cost of scent lok camo/ instead i go to an army surplus and buy chemo warfare suits for about 8 dollars, they are charcoal lined .af far as the urine i've been letting go for 40 years and don't belive it ever bothered deer.so many things on the market these days lots of hunters think that it must be something they are doing or not that keeps them from being succesful. patience and perseverance are 2 of the biggest threats to a trophies demise,

I'VE prefer pyrodex for ez use to clean up, I'Ve got a friend that is a state champion that says blackpowder is preferred by top shooters .YOU might try one then the others and see which best meets youre needs . A lot of kids are affected by what they have heard about a gun ''KICKING"". I never mention recoil or ''kicking'' when teaching kids and they seldom have any problems with it. Those that are concerned i'll show them that they can shoot from the hip or one handed without any i'll effects. MY son was 9 years old and shot clay targets with a 12 ga. and was reliable with a 30.06 Blackpowder rifles make a lot of noise and lots of smoke but have very little recoil. Shoot often until you get comfortable and think about no more .

I generally start my search near where ever mayapples sprout.

i couldn't disagree more strongly with ADK , hunting with dogs has always been considered fair chase. I don't think many men could track a cougar without them.ADK did'nt mention how he would pursue bear or cats? maybe will be enlightened

most any archery shop has a draw weight device to test ur weight b4 recommending arrow size and spine qualities . They use them pretty regularly so don't be bashful asking .

well you have already taken the first step by asking for help, and bow hunters are notorious for helping others learn about our sport.whether you live in the city or suburbs MICHIGAN BOWHUNTERS have clubs throughout the state.FIND a archery shop nearby and don;t stop asking questions untill someone takes you under thier wing and shows you how to set youre bow up and helps teach you some shooting skils and techniques,good luck and welcome to bow hunting .

ALL my buddies thought i was a lucky man because i have a wife that loves to fish, then they all thought i was a lucky man because my daughter fished with me to .NOW i know i'm a lucky man because now my grand daughter can't wait to take me fishing, follow youre heart young lady it's a big world and time is short . god luck fishing

beware of the man with one gun /because he's usually very good with it . this also applies to the advise he gives pertaining to his choice of bullets. jgroover 's advise right on target.

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40 inches is the biggest i've seen in the hills of western kentucky.the lenght wasn;t impressive , but the girth of the snake would sure get youre attention.this one was released un harmed.

I'm not familiar with this particular make, you did mention you didn't know if it was a 12ga. If youre thinking of shooting this gun I would be extremely cautious, Lots of these older guns were made with damascus wired barrels and are not safe to use with todays ammo capabilities .

using light gun oil, work the bolt a couple thousnad times, if it still sticks take it to a qualified gunsmith.

u gotta be sharpening wrong . ive filet bunches witha rapala b4 resharpening

permanent mineral licks will cause the deer to develope travel paterns away from the public hunting ground where baiting is generaly illeagle.

AFTER checking kentucky fish wildlife site, they didn;t give a total tally / but by checkig several of the most high deer kill counties i w surprised that compounds out harvested crosbows more than 16 to one . a couple counties had over two hundred compound kils to only 11 to 14 crossbows.as far as i'm concerned cross bow harvest is negligble to deer hunting .I'm sure there's more killed by cars.SO if you choose to use a crossbow good luck to ya,more humane than a PONTIAC .

It's more important to feed high protein around 18 per cent while working a dog on a regular basis,off season i'll cut back to 12 to 14 per cent,dry food is prefereed over canned .table scraps are out of bounds,feed one third of his ration couple hours prior to working him,then top him of on his return. FRESH WATER, CLEAN BEDDING AND REG EXERCISE WILL KEEP THEM IN CONDITION .

DUSTIN i;ve made it a habit to hunt for deer year round/ i only shoot though during open season.I'M constantly finding and losing hunting grounds ,some i've kept over the years but i'm not so gullible to think i could't lose those to;sometimes i get permission and never hunt the property,but i keep a list.WHAT i'm saying is that it's not hard gettin permission on private property if you keep trying.ONCE U FIND A SPOT set out mineral blocks or a food plot close to ur access point . IF NONE OF THIS works just leave me a message and i'll take ya where anyone can shoot a deer .

thx n.c deer hunter for putting in the effort to find some information, I had read this earlier and was curious myself,

i prefer it over others as it works best up close and not just a dark mass,as some came tends lose distiction .

it's a more costly process to free float and you said it, maximum accuracy . most guns already shoot beter than those shooting them ,

There also is a paragraph that says not only is it youre right to rebel against an oppressive goverment/but also you're duty , THE problem by the liberals is a population shift from the country to the cities and people have abandoned the roots of our forebeares , as these days a lot don't have roots that come from those seeds.

I have to agree with dsmarx, as i also lost my hunting partner years ago and i've kept these weapons, save one that i gave to a nephew upon his coming of age.the selection you mentioned sounds pretty well rounded for about any game.I've always favored the 30.06 and would recomend the model 700 bolt action or the REMINGTON pump, as the auto has a tendency to jam . I hope this helps you out, and btw if you listen real close you'll still be able to hear youre old partners words. GOOD LUCK

powder will last idefintely i suppose if kept dry, the primers may lose thier seal but i've got some ammo left from 1962 that's never failed yet.

I prefer using air rifles as teaching tools for youngsters/I let them carry them empty first correcting as we walk. As far as shooting I start with large bull eyes on paper targets up close.TO keep it fun i'll let'em shoot empty cans with pebbles in them so they rattle when struck, As thier skills get better i blow up ballons and as they drift they start shooting moving targets, To have some real fun i'll tie several on a kite tail in a safe area and let'm shoot .

actually it wasn't so much the place, i found a eight point at the edge of cut corn field,late one evening it was still warm and limp not far from where i had sat in my stand,the perplexing thing is i could not find any wounds or reason this deer should have died .

HUNT FOR IT is right there's more to seeing than just looking, take youre time . after you find a few it get easier .

DEER ANDREW / Being as youre only 12 years old and youre dad is teaching you, then youre dad is right,learn as much as you can about hunting and when you get older you may make a case for youre self as to what times are best .Until then learn about gun safety and practice what you learn .

I would think that by sharing youre views and gaining insight from other sportsmens ,that this would be suffiencent rewards.After 45 years of whitetail hunting i've learned a lot that i'm willing to share with others.I know if I could live to hunt another 45years that i would learn even more.I try to gain knowledge from every hunt/ deer video/or others experiences in the hopes it will give some advantage in the field,the most valuable gift is knowledge.I'LL give you my 6 most important tools that can't be bought at any store. patience/ perseverane/ planning/practice/positive attitude/preparedness.The gift is in giving.

I also use a hoyt bow ,after using lots of different broadheads i've came to rely on wasp broaheads,this past season i tried the rage expandable and i was impressed with it's performance. I encountered no problems with itand i can easily switch to field points without changing my sights, find or try these points but be sure to have confidence in any broadhead that you determine suits you best .

TRAVIS, welcome to bowhunting' SO that you don't make the same mistakes i did years ago, find a local bowhunting club near you and don't be bashful to ask for assistance, I'm sure the people there will be more than willing to help you out. A bow seems like a pretty simple device until you learn more about it; you will also be able to find a starter bow that suits you by trying different ones out, with proper instruction on arrow choice and draw weights/ sight alignments / paper tuning . mechanical relese choices or finger shooting / I'm pretty sure you are already an acclomplished hunter, bow shooting and hunting is a sport most fall in love with. good luck .

There is currently several gun makers that make youth BP rifles that are affordable and accurate. Find one that fits you and youre pocket book .AS far as black powder ffg is what most bp hunters use . PYRODEX is a black powder substitude that works well and some say ezier to clean up after use,depending on how youre rifle shoots and the vast differences in bullet choice usually loads can be started at 9o grains of black powder up to 150 grains . THE pyrodex can be measured by volume equal to the weight of black powder .

some sight apertures are bigger than others so this suggestion won't apply as a good sight selection . most bowhunters use sight pins set at known increments for best target accuracy .

nate 's responce seems to cover the bases 20ga, if the 12 is to much it can be dissapointing to a kid to not have the range that others around him have w/ the 12 ga, advantage

zack it sounds to me that youre trying to get youre dads interested in hunting.AS BUCKSLAYER stated it's hard to give advice not knowing the terrain afforded to you.the good news is that you have plenty of time to scout youre area b4 the next opener and know where the local deer in youre area travel.if you can obtain a topographical map that covers youre area and by reading deer hunting atricles and pictures you'll learn what is meant when saddles / bottle necks / benches/ edges are refered too.you might get dad' more interested in the outdoors by practicing marksmenship skills or archery, camping in the off season / fishing trips together are good ways for learning preparations.maybe he would enjoy vcr or taking pictures on youre jaunts. I hope these ideas help you i'm sure others will have some ideas to help you. If you stick with hunting i can guarantee you some moments that will last a life time. good luck

the out side measurements are whats use to score with.if youre bullet breaks the black its a bull eye.I THINK you hit a bull eye also with youre insight on the .178 group , i see what you mean , good question .let's see what the legendary pro[s tell us,

check out what i sent zack i think the same applies

puma i'll try to help ya. when u make a comment or reply to an answer try to be drief . to the point and straight with youre convictions..as hunters from different sections of the country or world for that matter we won't always agree on things , so try to visualise how things could and are different all over ,check out bear hunters question on hunting big game with hounds and you mite see my point, in the mean time i'll give u a one up for a str8 question , see if it helps

actually the caliber that sells the most ammunition in rimfire would be a .22caliber,there will be some tell you because of the recent popularity to go with the .17cal but like the ,22 magnum another good choice ammunition may not always be easily available in country stores if you run low, you didn;t say what use you had in mind so for just plinking the 22cal . still top of the list

lol i think deer don;t react to dark colors as much as they do lighter colors.,even though you probably would like a comment about the girl i'll save them for other publications..

i would check the local laws to be sure/ if prohibited i'd have to move to a state that allowed it,or country

there might be a few other things to consider before i could give a reply that would definitely help. first i'd try a shot size change and be sure i was using a tighter choked barrel,some game loads can be helped by useing a heavier powder charge if u can access a reloader, i really can;t understand why what youre using isn't taking these birds as close as youre saying/ 40 feet is not a long shot.if you misspelled and meant yards then more than likelyi'd be using a larger shot size .

the model 750 remmington took the placeof the model 7400 semi auto ,its a new model so there won't be many used 750 out there in marketplace,I looked at this model also and wondered if the problems the 7400 hundred followed it,i'm not sure of the cost but believe it's probably more than 5oo dollars, the problem with the 7400 was when bullets over 165grains were used it jammed up frequently. the ejector slide became nicked and had to be filed down to resume shooting, i would probably still have mine if not for this problem, hopefully this has been solved , if not shoot only 165grains or lighter.

To be quiet honest with you , i never was very good with math,but shooting at targets the front bead is set between the rear sight wedge and this sight picture is held on the target ,sometimes too much thinking and not enough time at the range leaves one too wonder.

a suthern slang term recently being used to describe big bodied deer,aka huge / monstrous/larger than average

the best bow for youre money is the one that feels and shoots right for you.

after you shoot a new gun 1 time it's used ,as long as the gun is in good condition and is a from a reputed maker it should be alright/it wouldn;t hurt to check it out though.I would also run a gun check thru the local police to make sure its not a stolen weapon ,most guns will last a lifetime and thewn some if taken care of properly, its rare to find one that has been shot out as most are used very little .

i have to disagree/ quality mounts should be kept away from heat sources/it sure won't help it

to get the skull plate to whiten keep it wet with peroxide and rags for a couple of days

scatter some wind up alarm clocks on the side youre not hunting then get ready