Just a note, I have been unavailable, will be back as soon as I can. I am so far behind on my online stuff.
One great resource is is the inexpensive paperback book, "The Evolution Handbook". Evolution Facts in Altamont, TN. Phone 931-692-5777, at This is a 900+ page book which cost around five bucks. It is a terrific EvolutionBuster! There web site is
http://evolution-facts.org/
I am trying to run down some books that I used to have. One is something like "Evolution, the fossils say NO" bu a Dr. ED Blick, I have it some place and I was going to use it for a resource but I cannot find it.
As to why people expose these things, NOT everyone who believes in this stuff has sinister motives. Many people believe in ti until they begin to see the evidence pile up. The ones who don't want to accept the evidence are the ones who could be said to have sinister motives. Many people have been fed this stuff and believe it because that is all they have been exposed to. It is not really their fault.
I will continue to look for the information that I have.
But right now, I am getting ready to go out into the wilds at oh dark thirty in the morning to watch deer play in the area they think they are safe, My hunting area. I hope to see a bunch there and get some idea of their movements. Gun season is only 10 days and 10 hours away from the time I write this. I am salivating at the thought of filling my freezer. Nine days later pheasant season starts. I can't wait.
Can you email me at bjsundling@gmail.com? I am trying to gather some resources for this discussion, but I am time crunched in some other areas. I can give you some resources that should meet the needs that you specify.
I guess we could try that.
If you remember I said I could agree to those items only with reservations, then I stated that I did not know of any ways a faith based claim could be falsified or rather that I could not think of any. I was referring to Intelligent design or Creationism. I do believe the evolution doctrine has been falsified, there is plenty of evidence.And evolution has its underpinnings in the falsified data.
Because someone sold pieces of wood purported to be the cross, does nothing to deny the existence of the cross. It obviously was not the cross. Those pieces of wood were not proof of the existence of the cross, they were sold as holy relics by a group of hucksters that figured out they could make some money by conning people.There are some fossils which have been used to "prove" evolution which on closer examination do no such thing but the proponents of the theory continue to preach that it does. That takes faith. If one goes to trial using a convicted perjurer as his primary witness, he has no credibility because his witness is known to NOT tell the truth. Anyone who uses false data to make his point is no better than say Obama, who has told more lies than, well you get my point. You can't win your case unless you are John Edwards by using falsified data, (If you are John Edwards and you channel dead babies, you win your case and get millions of dollars.)
There are a variety of faiths. People will try to tell you that there are many paths to enlightenment. They cannot all be right. They have been falsified. So as part of the previously mentioned reservations I will have to say that it apparently is possible to falsify faith claims, it is not easy but it has been done, and if it has been done, it is therefore possible.
I realize that we were originally talking about origin of life, but the scope has widened and in widening the scope I believe we have altered the parameters that we were discussing and also changed the concepts we thought established. I also believe that in trying to narrow the scope, which was the intent, we changed the focus of who was discussing what and we were looking at the single trees not the forest.
Much of the information that was given to "prove" evolution was falsified. Examples that were given were fraudulent. I do not have the specific examples where I can cite them but I have read much over the years which demonstrated a willingness to ignore facts if it did not support the theory of evolution. There were fossils which were portrayed as something they were not and the "educators" doing it knew they were false. Yes the record has been falsified and demonstrably so.
I believe that the theory of Evolution is a faith based claim. It is essentially a religion. The god is nature and they have made up most of what this god has done. Therefore, if we are to be intellectually honest, evolution, being a faith based claim, should not be taught in school. It has been shown to be intellectually dishonest and without integrity. The major reason its adherents continue on is they believe it takes God, the real one, out of the picture. It is amazing, like a two year old that thinks when he covers his eyes you can't see him, they believe that if they say there is no God enough times, it will become true. Psalms says The fool has said in his heart "there is no God..." Couldn't have said it better, myself.
I am unable to think of anything that could meet the bill.
No, I don't think it can be done because creation can not be replicated in any kind of setting that would start out with a blank slate. If you have a blank slate, you won't be there, or else it is not a blank slate. Chicken or the egg concept.
Yes I can agree that "faith based claims should not be taught in science classrooms". But I also oppose war in general, but believe that we are in a war that we must win. These seem to be mutually exclusive but alas, we live in a world where the shoulds in our world are only a best case scenario and will never really have a place in the world of reality.
I have enjoyed this. As I said earlier, this was a conversation that would have been much better sitting at a small table by a fireplace, drinking hot tea or cider and carrying on this conversation face to face. But it was still good. We should do this again sometime.
Should they be taught? Probably not, but that would remove most of the curricula in the public school setting.
