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SHOT Show 2009: New Rifles
Here's a sneak peek at this year's hottest new rifles!
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There was little doubt that Thompson Center was going to expand on its line of Icon rifles that it launched two years ago. A favorite pastime for gun nuts is to try to guess what’s coming next. Well, the answer is here and it is called the Venture. The T-C Venture can be thought of as the Icon’s little brother—it’s not as fancy and it isn’t as sophisticated but the family resemblance is unmistakable nonetheless. And for those hunters for whom the Icon’s $1,000 price tag was difficult to justify the best news is that the Venture will cost about half as much. According to Gregg Ritz, the MSRP on the new rifle will be $500 and the street price should come in around $450. I was lucky enough to be one of the first to shoot the new rifle this morning down at the legendary Gametrails hunting lodge in Western Kentucky and the initial impression it left is very good. First, here’s what the Venture has in common with the Icon: One of the best bits of news is that the Venture will use the same barrels as are found on the Icons. These high-quality barrels have recessed and chamfered crowns and a type of rifling the company calls “5R,” where the lands and grooves don’t meet at a sharp 90-degree angle, instead having a rounded corners. This is supposed to cut down on accuracy-degrading fouling. The adjustable trigger is also the same on the two rifles. The shooter can select a trigger pull weight somewhere between 2.5 to 6 pounds. As on the Icons I’ve shot, the trigger pull on the Venture is crisp with little sign of creep. It’s a fine trigger. The detachable magazine will also seem familiar to shooters who have spent time with the Icon. The bottom of the magazine extends a bit beneath the stock and because of its single-stack design gives the shooter a capacity of 3+1. The shape and lines on the receiver are very much like the Icon as well. The top of the receiver has built-in Picatinny style bases and an oval cut for feeding cartridges and ejecting empties. The bolt has the same three-lug design as the Icon and the corresponding shorter bolt lift as compared to a two-lug turn-bolt action. Speaking of the bolt, the bolt shroud has the same rakish angle to it, along with the same style cocking indicator, though the shroud lacks the cutouts that are one of the more distinctive design elements on the Icon. With so much in common there has to be some things that are different, right? How’d they save all that money so they could charge half as much? The biggest changes from the Icon are out of sight. For starters the Venture does not have the flat-bottomed receiver that the Icon does. For those not familiar with the Icon, one of its accuracy-enhancing features is its bedding system, which mates a flat-topped aluminum bedding block to the flat-bottomed receiver. The theory behind the flat-on-flat design is that there is no chance for the action to roll or torque in the stock. In addition, the flat bedding block adds rigidity to the whole business, which is always a good goal as far as accuracy is concerned. Instead, the Venture has a round bottom design (round is always cheaper and easier to make) that mates to a stock that doesn’t have any special bedding features. Then there’s the matter of the stock itself. One of the big selling features for the Icon is the quality of the wood they are stocked with, which on the numerous samples I’ve seen certainly qualifies as a better grade of wood than is typical on rifles at comparable prices. The stock on the Venture is a much more straightforward affair and weighs about a half-pound less than the wood stock on the Icon, which is actually a point in favor of the newcomer as the heft of the Icon was criticized by some as being a bit too heavy. The safety on the Venture is also different than on the Icon. It will be a simple two-position safety. (Though there is a three-position safety on the samples we have here in camp—some of the details are still being worked out.) The bolt handles on the Venture are also not designed to be interchangeable as they are on the Icon. By not offering this feature, T-C doesn’t need to machine the bolts and bolt handles to the same tolerances as with the Icon. Again, this means money saved, both in terms of product costs and the labor involved in checking the fit of the pieces. Enough about the specs: How does it perform? Well, on the two samples we were shooting this morning, the groups were coming in somewhere around 1.5 inches or so with plenty of shots that were touching on the paper, which is always a good sign. What conclusions can we draw from this? Not much. We’re shooting two prototype rifles with one brand of ammo (Winchester) and they were certainly within what I consider acceptable accuracy for a hunting rifle. Given that the wind is howling today (erratic gusts above 20 mph) and that the rifles are topped with Nikon hunting scopes (as opposed to high magnification target scopes) and that the rests we’re shooting off are only so-so, I would have been surprised if they had shot much better. My gut tells me that under more controlled circumstances these rifles will shoot very well indeed. How about calibers? You’ll see in the photo above that my Venture is chambered in .308 Win. but this is not going to be one of the calibers initially offered. Instead, Thompson-Center is going do this in a long action at first, so we’ll be seeing it in .30-06., .270 Win., .243 Win and 7mm Rem. Mag for starters. But you can bet that a medium-length action will be in the Venture's future. Now, it’s time to hunt and see how it does in the field.
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that is a kick @$$ gun
remington model 700 is the best and has always been the best rifle
For a higher dollar rifle the Merkel is kind of ugly, I hope it shoots better than it looks.
Are the Browning Rifle's still made in JAPAN?
Shore is nice to be rich to afford them thar shooting peices.
ha who needs a rifle? bowhunting all the way
the marlin 30 06 is a pretty good rifle
exelent accuracy & chamberd in a 30-06 will take down any deer (hint: you have to hit the deer if you want it to go down)
i would have to agree with bowman. but also why buy such an exspensive rifle where for a lot less you can get almost as good of peformance
I'm somewhat disappointed with the new rifles at the Shot Show this year. The Browning X-Bolt has been out for awhile so there doesn't seem to be alot of innovation or shakers and bakers this year. Let's face it folks, there's a lot of fine weaponry out there today and a good gunsmith and reloader can make an excellent shooter out of just about anything the market has today.
It really doesn't matter who likes what the best or for that matter who thinks what's the best as long as they enjoy what they shoot. I really think most of us just want to express our preferences to others that might not know what to get and are looking.
I'm of the old adage of it's what you can shoot well that makes it good!
I shoot a savage 270 and I love it. I went Elk hunting in Kansas this January and brought down a 600 pound Elk and two Ibex in one shot!
I dont really think 30-06's are very good for long range.
Triple Kudo's and a well done to marlin rifles for there amazing variety of lever gun's.Out of 6 g/kids got two leftee's like myself!! Starrted all the leftee's on lever gun's and they are great shooters now!!Haven't justified buying a new stainless lever since still using the marlin 336 bought in the PX over 20 yrs ago and still purring like a kitten. do have to aggree with the writer who got an elk in kansas 270 is a mighty fine round and very popular in east oregon for elk there. Thks for listening. Carry ON!! YOC
Now that Remington and DPMS are owned by the same company I don’t understand why Remington doesn’t push the .260 Remington in an AR platform match grade rifle. DPMS already had an AR model available in .260 Remington and that was a great idea. I thought big green would take that ball and run with it.
Hey, let's bring on the realistically priced, yet quality firearms that shoot better MOA's than most in this elitist and unproven lot.How about Savage Arms, still one of the finest and most actions ever made....?
I have to agree with heaveg/ without some kind of change todays rifles couldn't be classified as ""NEW ""/ rather than trying to improve on something that isn't broke, maybe they could lower the cost of production so more people could own a selection of weapons and take the extra revenue and help provide and promote shooting events and access more places to do it. In turn this would require more ammuniton spent, and help safeguard our own interest by creating more interest in the shooting sports .
i ownthat gun that is the best gun ever made in my opinion
My father shot a savage .300 for forty years and we had venision on the table every year. He bought my brother and myself each one and we get deer every year. Both of us still shoot those same guns. Nothing wrong with shooting a cheaper gun as long as it does the job.
Can someone please explain why this gun is so much more expensive then anything else firing the same round from an AR frame?!?
How many more "quality bolt action rifles" does the world need? The firearms makers are going the way of the auto companies -- by cranking out slightly different versions of the same old, tired products. I dare someone to invent a new action !!!
I just want one good clean shot! thants all i ask
lol thats
Savage Arms are dead solid! but the quality is always in the shooter first.
Sure seems like the gun market is becoming a very competitive place. Sometimes that works for the consumer and other times it works against them. In this case, it worries me that there are getting to be too many guns competing for the same dollar. A little slump in gun sales and someone is going to go down.
for hunting big bear 375 any 375 is a good bet,check it out.
A few years ago I bought a Savage 110 bolt action .270. It was a package gun that I bought from a dealer I knew. It wasn't top of the line and I don't think I've heard too many people mention it and if they have It hasn't received glowing reports like remingtons 700 and others. The important thing is that it worked for me. It fir my budget, and I enjoy hunting with it. I have other rifles that I could an have used but this rifle seems to always surface to the top. It doesn't have to be expensive or fancy, it just has to be a good fit for you. I good rifle and some time on the range can go a long way towards making your hunting experience memorable. enjoy!
In my book the remington model 700 is hard to beat.But the new winchester model 70 is a very classy gun. That shoots and handles great
the weatherby and the browning r awsome
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I'm somewhat disappointed with the new rifles at the Shot Show this year. The Browning X-Bolt has been out for awhile so there doesn't seem to be alot of innovation or shakers and bakers this year. Let's face it folks, there's a lot of fine weaponry out there today and a good gunsmith and reloader can make an excellent shooter out of just about anything the market has today.
It really doesn't matter who likes what the best or for that matter who thinks what's the best as long as they enjoy what they shoot. I really think most of us just want to express our preferences to others that might not know what to get and are looking.
I'm of the old adage of it's what you can shoot well that makes it good!
exelent accuracy & chamberd in a 30-06 will take down any deer (hint: you have to hit the deer if you want it to go down)
Now that Remington and DPMS are owned by the same company I don’t understand why Remington doesn’t push the .260 Remington in an AR platform match grade rifle. DPMS already had an AR model available in .260 Remington and that was a great idea. I thought big green would take that ball and run with it.
Hey, let's bring on the realistically priced, yet quality firearms that shoot better MOA's than most in this elitist and unproven lot.How about Savage Arms, still one of the finest and most actions ever made....?
My father shot a savage .300 for forty years and we had venision on the table every year. He bought my brother and myself each one and we get deer every year. Both of us still shoot those same guns. Nothing wrong with shooting a cheaper gun as long as it does the job.
remington model 700 is the best and has always been the best rifle
For a higher dollar rifle the Merkel is kind of ugly, I hope it shoots better than it looks.
Shore is nice to be rich to afford them thar shooting peices.
the marlin 30 06 is a pretty good rifle
I have to agree with heaveg/ without some kind of change todays rifles couldn't be classified as ""NEW ""/ rather than trying to improve on something that isn't broke, maybe they could lower the cost of production so more people could own a selection of weapons and take the extra revenue and help provide and promote shooting events and access more places to do it. In turn this would require more ammuniton spent, and help safeguard our own interest by creating more interest in the shooting sports .
Can someone please explain why this gun is so much more expensive then anything else firing the same round from an AR frame?!?
Savage Arms are dead solid! but the quality is always in the shooter first.
Are the Browning Rifle's still made in JAPAN?
Triple Kudo's and a well done to marlin rifles for there amazing variety of lever gun's.Out of 6 g/kids got two leftee's like myself!! Starrted all the leftee's on lever gun's and they are great shooters now!!Haven't justified buying a new stainless lever since still using the marlin 336 bought in the PX over 20 yrs ago and still purring like a kitten. do have to aggree with the writer who got an elk in kansas 270 is a mighty fine round and very popular in east oregon for elk there. Thks for listening. Carry ON!! YOC
i ownthat gun that is the best gun ever made in my opinion
How many more "quality bolt action rifles" does the world need? The firearms makers are going the way of the auto companies -- by cranking out slightly different versions of the same old, tired products. I dare someone to invent a new action !!!
I just want one good clean shot! thants all i ask
lol thats
Sure seems like the gun market is becoming a very competitive place. Sometimes that works for the consumer and other times it works against them. In this case, it worries me that there are getting to be too many guns competing for the same dollar. A little slump in gun sales and someone is going to go down.
that is a kick @$$ gun
i would have to agree with bowman. but also why buy such an exspensive rifle where for a lot less you can get almost as good of peformance
I shoot a savage 270 and I love it. I went Elk hunting in Kansas this January and brought down a 600 pound Elk and two Ibex in one shot!
for hunting big bear 375 any 375 is a good bet,check it out.
A few years ago I bought a Savage 110 bolt action .270. It was a package gun that I bought from a dealer I knew. It wasn't top of the line and I don't think I've heard too many people mention it and if they have It hasn't received glowing reports like remingtons 700 and others. The important thing is that it worked for me. It fir my budget, and I enjoy hunting with it. I have other rifles that I could an have used but this rifle seems to always surface to the top. It doesn't have to be expensive or fancy, it just has to be a good fit for you. I good rifle and some time on the range can go a long way towards making your hunting experience memorable. enjoy!
In my book the remington model 700 is hard to beat.But the new winchester model 70 is a very classy gun. That shoots and handles great
the weatherby and the browning r awsome
I dont really think 30-06's are very good for long range.
ha who needs a rifle? bowhunting all the way
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