Debate over California bill outlawing open-carry of unloaded handguns has national implications.
There is an interesting debate with national implications under way in California. The state's Assembly will soon ponder AB1934, a bill that could make it a crime to openly carry an unloaded handgun anywhere.
This bill is a direct response to the growing, nationwide open-carry movement. And it is a classic tactic used by anti-Second Amendment fascists – criminalize the Bill of Rights.
But discussion about the bill has exposed other dangers to your rights: Misunderstanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
For instance, as Chris Hinyub of the California Independent Voter Network writes in a May 19 blog, there are some who don't believe the Second Amendment applies to individuals – despite the Heller 2008 decision and a host other related rulings.
He quotes one police chief saying he supports AB1934, and believes the Second Amendment only applies to individuals who "ban together," such as in "well-regulated" militias that he, himself, can "regulate."
The "logical fallacy" here, as Hinyub notes, is "that militias should be afforded open carry protection yet everyday pedestrians and bystanders should not."
This is a dangerous misconception, especially by a local public official sworn to protect your rights. Sometimes, local law enforcement agencies need to be reminded that protecting rights is part of their obligation to "protect and serve."
For more, go to:
- California police chief misunderstands Second Amendment rights;
- Chuck DeVore opposes Democrat gun ban AB1934;
- Ban on open carry of guns - Deja Vu all over again;
- California Could be Defense-Free; Stop Gun Control Now!
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Are we truly the Posterity of which the Founding Revolutionaries/Fathers spoke? I am always amazed when the populace in this country sits back and allows this sort of nonsense to occur because "it's too political." To be sure, those who desire our slavery don't consider their efforts "too political." Have we become a nation of self-indulgent posers as the inheritors of the Revolution? Why then celebrate the 4th of July?
The sign with this story says it all. If more people had the fortitude to carry and defend themselves there would be a lot less crime. It's the same principle as with nuclear weapons. It is a deterrent factor that can not be measured but everyone knows. It is the countries that don't have them that always have more trouble than the countries with them. I'd like to see someone argue that.
look its california they are ass backwards its only a matter of time before they all od on lead.
“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
-Abraham Lincoln
Guns kill people just like forks made Rosie O'Donell fat.
- WA Mtnhunter, Fellow Gun Nut, fieldandstream.com
Shortly after the Rodney King riot, California State Official said, there is no Government entity responsible for your personal protection!
_______________________________
911, Government Dial A Prayer!
_______________________________
“But I don't want to defend myself.”
-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter
_______________________________
Concealed And Carried
Those who oppose legalizing concealed carry argue that we don`t need a concealed carry system because Wisconsin already has a relatively low crime rate. In essence, these opponents are saying that 24,000 rapes, assaults, robberies and other violent crimes every year constitute an acceptable level of criminal violence.
http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=3076&T=7
_______________________________
“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News
_______________________________
“Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a reduction in homicide rates. In particular, we find no differences in homicide or firearm homicide rates to adult victims in the 32 treatment states directly subject to the Brady Act provisions compared with the remaining control states.”
-Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook, in The Journal of the American Medical Association, 2000-Aug-2, Homicide and Suicide Rates Associated With Implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
_______________________________
“When tyranny hits the fan and the 'Firearms Control Section Gestapo' stops by to confiscate your firearms, do the right thing...give'em the ammunition first.”
-the Tucson (Arizona) Rifle Club newsletter, 1999-Sep
_______________________________
“the people I put in jail have more honor than the top administration in this organization.”
-Bob Hoffman, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan
_______________________________
“I took an oath. And the thing that I find totally abhorrent and disgusting is these higher-level people took that same oath and they violate the basic principles and tenets of the Constitution and the laws and simple ethics and morality.”
-Lou Tomasello, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan
_______________________________
“a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today.”
-Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) in 1983, describing the ATF
_______________________________
“Trampled upon the Second Amendment [...] Offended the Fourth Amendment [...] Ignored the Fifth Amendment”
-Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, 1982, findings regarding the ATF
_______________________________
“At first glance, it may seem odd or even perverse to suggest that statutory controls on the private ownership of firearms are irrelevant to the problem of armed crime: yet that is precisely what the evidence shows. Armed crime and violent crime generally are products of ethnic and social factors unrelated to the availability of a particular type of weapon. The number of firearms required to satisfy the crime market is minute, and these are supplied no matter what controls are instituted. Controls have had serious effect on legitimate users of firearms, but there is no case, either in the history of this country (Britain) or in the experience of other countries in which controls can be shown to have restricted the flow of weapons to criminals, or in any way reduce crime.”
-Chief Inspector Colins Greenwood, West Yorkshire Constabulary, Police Review, Britain after six months of study of firearms control systems at Cambridge University
_______________________________
“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defence. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; . . . the weak will become prey.”
-Thomas Paine (1737-1809), in "Thoughts on Defensive War", in The Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775
_______________________________
“Justice Department studies show that armed citizens are much less likely to suffer losses or personal injury from thieves”
-The Washington Post, 1992-Jan-7
I often go to California to fish high mountain lakes and streams. I stay with a buddy who is a retired police officer and he suggest never to go into the mountains unarmed. The mountians of California are a safe haven for criminals because the police refuse to go into the mountians to look for them.
And this is the same state taking your freedoms away? How scary is that?
Different thought... I prefer open carry to conceal carry. Open carry allows self defense while also deterring crime by the obvious open show of defense.
I don't understand it either X2D. The powers at be seem to want a society of victims that rely on the police to clean up after the crimes because it's impossible to prevent crime. I think the picture attached to this story says it all.
I'm having trouble figuring out what openly carrying an unloaded weapon does other than painting yourself as a target or threat.
Actually, I'll take that further, what is the purpose of an unloaded gun? Ballast?
You can bet your last dollar that if I ever get back to Ca to visit family I will have a gun, the police down there cant even get a handle on crime in my home town. Why would they want to take away a persons right to defend themselves. One ? why would a person want to carry a unloaded gun seems kinda poitless if you have to use it.
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You can bet your last dollar that if I ever get back to Ca to visit family I will have a gun, the police down there cant even get a handle on crime in my home town. Why would they want to take away a persons right to defend themselves. One ? why would a person want to carry a unloaded gun seems kinda poitless if you have to use it.
I'm having trouble figuring out what openly carrying an unloaded weapon does other than painting yourself as a target or threat.
Actually, I'll take that further, what is the purpose of an unloaded gun? Ballast?
I don't understand it either X2D. The powers at be seem to want a society of victims that rely on the police to clean up after the crimes because it's impossible to prevent crime. I think the picture attached to this story says it all.
I often go to California to fish high mountain lakes and streams. I stay with a buddy who is a retired police officer and he suggest never to go into the mountains unarmed. The mountians of California are a safe haven for criminals because the police refuse to go into the mountians to look for them.
And this is the same state taking your freedoms away? How scary is that?
Different thought... I prefer open carry to conceal carry. Open carry allows self defense while also deterring crime by the obvious open show of defense.
Shortly after the Rodney King riot, California State Official said, there is no Government entity responsible for your personal protection!
_______________________________
911, Government Dial A Prayer!
_______________________________
“But I don't want to defend myself.”
-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter
_______________________________
Concealed And Carried
Those who oppose legalizing concealed carry argue that we don`t need a concealed carry system because Wisconsin already has a relatively low crime rate. In essence, these opponents are saying that 24,000 rapes, assaults, robberies and other violent crimes every year constitute an acceptable level of criminal violence.
http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=3076&T=7
_______________________________
“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News
_______________________________
“Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a reduction in homicide rates. In particular, we find no differences in homicide or firearm homicide rates to adult victims in the 32 treatment states directly subject to the Brady Act provisions compared with the remaining control states.”
-Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook, in The Journal of the American Medical Association, 2000-Aug-2, Homicide and Suicide Rates Associated With Implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
_______________________________
“When tyranny hits the fan and the 'Firearms Control Section Gestapo' stops by to confiscate your firearms, do the right thing...give'em the ammunition first.”
-the Tucson (Arizona) Rifle Club newsletter, 1999-Sep
_______________________________
“the people I put in jail have more honor than the top administration in this organization.”
-Bob Hoffman, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan
_______________________________
“I took an oath. And the thing that I find totally abhorrent and disgusting is these higher-level people took that same oath and they violate the basic principles and tenets of the Constitution and the laws and simple ethics and morality.”
-Lou Tomasello, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan
_______________________________
“a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today.”
-Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) in 1983, describing the ATF
_______________________________
“Trampled upon the Second Amendment [...] Offended the Fourth Amendment [...] Ignored the Fifth Amendment”
-Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, 1982, findings regarding the ATF
_______________________________
“At first glance, it may seem odd or even perverse to suggest that statutory controls on the private ownership of firearms are irrelevant to the problem of armed crime: yet that is precisely what the evidence shows. Armed crime and violent crime generally are products of ethnic and social factors unrelated to the availability of a particular type of weapon. The number of firearms required to satisfy the crime market is minute, and these are supplied no matter what controls are instituted. Controls have had serious effect on legitimate users of firearms, but there is no case, either in the history of this country (Britain) or in the experience of other countries in which controls can be shown to have restricted the flow of weapons to criminals, or in any way reduce crime.”
-Chief Inspector Colins Greenwood, West Yorkshire Constabulary, Police Review, Britain after six months of study of firearms control systems at Cambridge University
_______________________________
“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defence. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; . . . the weak will become prey.”
-Thomas Paine (1737-1809), in "Thoughts on Defensive War", in The Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775
_______________________________
“Justice Department studies show that armed citizens are much less likely to suffer losses or personal injury from thieves”
-The Washington Post, 1992-Jan-7
Guns kill people just like forks made Rosie O'Donell fat.
- WA Mtnhunter, Fellow Gun Nut, fieldandstream.com
“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
-Abraham Lincoln
The sign with this story says it all. If more people had the fortitude to carry and defend themselves there would be a lot less crime. It's the same principle as with nuclear weapons. It is a deterrent factor that can not be measured but everyone knows. It is the countries that don't have them that always have more trouble than the countries with them. I'd like to see someone argue that.
Are we truly the Posterity of which the Founding Revolutionaries/Fathers spoke? I am always amazed when the populace in this country sits back and allows this sort of nonsense to occur because "it's too political." To be sure, those who desire our slavery don't consider their efforts "too political." Have we become a nation of self-indulgent posers as the inheritors of the Revolution? Why then celebrate the 4th of July?
look its california they are ass backwards its only a matter of time before they all od on lead.
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