Coyote Showdown
It’s man vs. coyote in one of the wildest photos we’ve ever seen.
UPDATE: Andrew McKean tracks down the truth about the Coyote Showdown. Read comment 75
Hunting Editor Andrew McKean received these two amazing photos with a vivid description of what must have been one of the wildest coyote hunts ever. Here is the note that came along with it…
“The picture is for real and so is the story. Aaron's friends were checking snares around Geraldine and decided to stop and call in a spot. One had a .204 and a .22 pistol. The other had a camera. They called for 15 minutes and brought in the pack of coyotes that they couldn't see until they were 20 yards away. The shooter shot twice with the .204 rifle as the coyotes closed in. The dogs didn't know where to go and were jumping around, barking, etc. By the time he made the second shot they had moved in to 10 yards and he couldn't see anything but hair in his scope, so he put the rifle down and grabbed his sidearm. He stood up and started firing into the pack of jumping dogs. The picture makes them look like they're charging but they were just bouncing around trying to figure out what to do. The shooter emptied his sidearm and managed to get a bullet into each coyote. Pretty wild.”
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besides that talent, you even got it on camera, good one!
That's awesome! I have only went coyote hunting once but have not been able to see one. During rifle season last year a coyote walked in front of my deer stand about forty yards but I couldn't hit it with a Savage over-under with slugs and iron sights so I didn't attempt the shot.
wow thats awesome i wish that happened to me i need to get rid of some yotes around here
That's a awesome pic
I was raised by my Father and Grandfather, who did not condon the killing of these wild packs unless it was absolutly neccessary. You see my grandfather was full blooded Cherokee, my grandmother was full blooded Choctaw. My grand father in his last years of hunting did not want us killing a deer for camp meet, so we mostly had to find a feral hog which was not hard back in those days. Unfortunately the woods/swamp we used to hunt is no longer there, the land was cleared for farming, about 25 years back.
Michael Edwards
Real or a hoax makes for a good story!
-Hunter Girl 1
Those are awesome.
What do you do with the yotes body after you skin it out?
real or fake it still makes a good day dream
If the tail is moving fast enough to blur the image, then how could the shutter catch the dogs in perfect focus. From the photographic aspect, the image makes me sceptical.
how would u stage this let alone take the time to fake it
wow man!thats awsome!but i do think that it set up.
Odd, that the cameraman appears to be in the line of fire?
omygosh thats sooooooooo set up
omygosh thats sooooooooo set up
I did that one time, no foolin'! It happen much more often than you'd think. Coyotes frequently hunt mice, rates, voles, marmots, rabbit and hares in small packs like that. The problem arises when they are forced to fairly divvy up the plunder. Each coyote typically gets a leg and the alpha gets the torso. May not seem fair to you and I, but that's coyote law. The coyotes I shot were much larger than those in the picture though................
You guys gotta remember they said COYOTE HOAX not coyote picture so this couldntpossibly be true.And plus where is the rifle.
geezz ok if it is true tell me this why in the world is the camra man so steady hell id of been grabbing my gun cause i aint trusting no ones ability to shoot that many angry coyotes lol but it was a good try to fool us please try to get anouther picture this is a good convo piece
Come on people! It is a total hoax, bull puckey, fake. A pack of wolves maybe but a pack of coyotes no. They or stiffer than a preachers di*K. IT looks like a herd of elephants stomped all the snow down before the yotes got there and i really dont think 5 dogs would run right past the camera guy in the wide open while he just happend to have his camera out and not his own gun especialy since he is coyote "hunting".
i,d say its staged.iv,e been huntn dogs 20yrs an those yotes arent cummin like that with 2 guys standin out in the open in the snow with no snow camo on.plus the camera guy has some lead in him probably.it,s all tracked up round the yotes,besides.still,a neat photo though.keep runnin them yotes!
HuntingEditor, classy response and explanation. Thanks. I've been gone a few weeks out of the country and just checked in to see what had become of this thread. Love the photo as one done in fun.
If I had to vote I would call this a hoax. One thing I do know is that the thread conversations are more entertaining than the blurb of information supplied with the photographs.
coyote are rarely called in in packs of 2 or 3 if your lucky and never the amount seen on the quads at one time
Is the guy in the picture fan firing his pistol? A revolver? Single action 22lr ? 5 for 5 at piont blank range? I don't think Herb Parsons or Jerry Miculek could make that shot. And kill them all, not just hit them. Real or fake?
cnelk you are lucky to be alive after attacking that lion.
This is a great joke to play on your hunting buddies. I have done this with squirrels for friends new to hunting and to my brother in law on a doe that I shot. It was and is great fun. My brother in law emptied his rifle at the dead deer.
It was very obvious from the start...THAT IS A SCAM!!!!...How do you know?...ONLY 1 PICTURE?????
Here's an update. The photo was staged. I'm going to refrain from calling it a hoax, which implies there was some trickery to this. Instead, it apparently was a couple of guys having some fun, without thinking the photos would wind up before a national audience. My friend Mark Henckel at the Billings (Mont.) Gazette finally made contact with one of the guys on the initial email string, who disclosed that his buddies set up the scene with several of their frozen snared coyotes.
It makes sense, as several of the posts on this thread have detailed, when you look at the visual cues: snow trampled, the crusted snow on the side of the near coyote, the stop-action photography in low light, and the dubious gun safety skills of the shooter.
Thanks to everyone for weighing in with a perspective.
Andrew McKean
Outdoor Life Hunting Editor
Moose69, I like your attitude toward giving fellow sportsmen the benefit of the doubt but this deal has one caveat: there ain't no doubt.
Hey that must have been scary. But i bet it was worth it. Hope to go yote hunting soon
Jesus what is happening? Is this what outdoor enthusiasts have come too? Rather than congratulate someone for their trophy we shoot skeptism and doubt their way. Personally I say congrats to the hunter. And as for the contraversal snow stuck to the wounded dog don't y'all think maybe at twenty yards the impact from the round would maybe knock the dog down and maybe just maybe when it got back up it had remanants of snow? Y'all need a hobby other than doubting every sportsman who might just have better luck than you!
Jocko62, thanks for the affirmation of character for these boys. Now we are getting somewhere. I wondered if their fun kind of got away from them more than they expected. Can't wait for the snipe kit. Hope they provide instuctions on how to use it effectively for those of us with limited experience on snipe. Since you know them, ask them to throw in a recipe.
As far as i can tell from the pic the coyotes are amazing, they leave not a track one behind them but have the snow packed down to nothing in front of them
I've known these young men all of their lives. They are good, hard working guys who are true Montana sportsmen. They also have an amazing original 'made in montana' snipe hunting kit that they've demonstrated several times in this same area. This summer, watch for more posts containing shots of their bounty during the upcoming snipe season.
Who cares if they are real or not. The guys got what they wanted their pictures in OL magazine online. They also got alot of attention. Also have a story to tell the grandkids someday.
Huning editor my guess is you're not going to hear back from the boys that sent you this picture. It's a hoax they know it,(got a feelin you know it) and anybody that's been around coyotes alive or dead knows it.
Never mind why they'ld be only attacking the misbegotten shooter in the photo and completely passed by the photographer. Plus all the other reasons given by folks with a bit more attention to detail
Sure hope you didn't pay anything for the pack of bullspit photo.
if you look at the picture of the guy shooting the pistol he is fanning it. there are very few people in the world who can do that and hit all of the targets there are aimming at that r not moving, let a loan a bunch of moving coyotes
Direct Link:
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/cnelk/trail-campicoregon.jpg
How about this "real" photo...
Will OL pick this one?
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Really? Attack coyotes! Really?
If the scenario where real the only thing in the photo would be the hind end of a fast coyote.
ps Do not go hunting with the pistolero, he does not play safe.
COME ON!!! This is such B.S. The hunters said "The dogs didn't know where to go and were jumping around, barking, etc." Anyone who has called coyotes knows better than that. You shoot one part of a pair or miss a single, pretty sure they know what to do. They kick it in the butt and head for the hills. Coyotes don't "jump around barking" when the lead starts flying.
Has anyone here seen coyotes continue an attack on anything when there are gunshots going off. You fire two rounds with a 204 and the rest of the pack would be way out of 22 pistol range. And how could this guy hit anything with that kind of shooting stance.
And then there is the evidence in the photos. These are dead frozen coyotes stuck in the snow for a B.S. photo and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. I am disappointed in Outdoor Life for falling for this and all the people that believe just show how sad and uneducated our country has become.
No footprints? The whole area between the "shooter" and the dogs is trampled down with relatively undisturbed snow everywhere else.
elker:
You and I pretty much have the same outlook when it comes to coyotes - and the topic above.
There are lots of dogs on the ranches we hunt - 20,000+ acres deer/elk/moose and lots of rabbits.
Few people have watched coyotes hunt for food. They are very masterful at it and they are seldom together. 2-3 coyotes are hard to keep track of when they are hunting - slipping in & out of sagebrush or willows.
What makes it fake for me: The dog on the far right - where did he come from? No tracks to the rearward. The only tracks we see are basically from the "hunter" to the pack - you know to set them up for the photo. Also it claims he set down his rifle and went to his side arm. Where is it? Did he wasl several feet away, place it on the ground and come back to duel with the yotes? OL - you got fooled and so easily. Kinda makes me question your expertise on just about anything. Pretty open country to not see them till 20 yards away too.
Hammer, i will personally bet that guess has called more coyotes that you can even conceive. and yes, we will stay at predatormasters.com and have one heck of a good laugh at this ridiculous photo. That photo is almost as real as this one...
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Hammer, i will personally bet that Guess has called more coyotes that you could even concieve. and yes, we will stay at predatormasters.com and have one heck of a good laugh at this ridiculous photo.
that pic is about at real as this one..
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Thanks for the well wishes "elker"!
There are no lack of dogs on the ranches we hunt - 20,000+ acres.
Your experiences are alot like ours - coyotes are always separated when they come in.
Most people have not watched or seen coyotes hunt for food - they put on quite show as they dart in & out of cover, making it hard to keep track of 2 or 3 of them.
This is how I like to see coyotes
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/cnelk/Bk_Jan_09_yotes.jpg
Twice this winter we have called 5 coyotes at one time in. Each time they were at different distances. One set-up, while I was watching 4 coming in from the left, (2 at 200yds, 2 at 300yds) another snuck in from another direction and my buddy shot it at 31yds. The same thing happened last winter, same spot. When 2 dogs come into a call they are pretty close to each other. But any more than that they are always spread out. Ever watch them hunt? they are never together.In our situations,once the gunfire starts, the coyotes are a fast moving target, typically in the opposite direction.
Our longest shot on a coyote this winter (so far) is 435yds ranged with a lazer rangefinder. Closest is 31yds. The others have been in between those distances.
Too bad the fur prices are not what they were a couple of years ago or we would really be putting a hurt on them.
The only thing I believe about this story is that they were snaring coyotes. In no way am I trying to be a chest beater but I've snared well over 1000 coyotes in my time (small potatoes compared to many people) and these look like snared coyotes that have been propped up in the snow. Anyone that has done any snaring knows that you will find them froze stiff in various positions in the cold of winter. The "snarling" expression is very common if you are using non lethal snare locks and even when using lethal snare locks. Sometimes the coyote doesn't cinch the snare down tight enough to cause it to expire quickly and will die with a choking/snarling expression. They will fall over and freeze with their tail straight or bent, and with the body in various positions. It is very common for them to get blood on themselves while fighting the snare. After dying in the snow, usually snow sticks in frozen clumps to the fur as well.
Having called and killed as many coyotes as I've snared I can honestly say I've called many, many groups of coyotes and not once in my 27 or so years of calling have I ever called a group tightly packed together like that. I've also never seen coyotes get that close to two people, sticking out like sore thumbs in the snow, and not get alarmed and take off while spreading apart. Yes coyotes can be killed with a .22 but anyone that has done any calling knows that it would be close to impossible to kill every coyote in that large a group when calling multiple coyotes. It would be tough to kill a large percentage of the group let alone all of them with an auto loading rifle of adequate caliber or even a shotgun, let alone a .22.
Not suggesting it is impossible but unlikely especially in light of the almost certainty, (I'm being polite saying almost) that the photo is a staged fake. You can see what appear to me to be obvious snare marks on some the necks and a couple of them have what we call "jelly-heads" from them remaining live for an extended period with the snare tight around their neck, trapping blood in their head causing the head to swell. The "snarling" coyote has the most noticeable swelling which would be consistent with it dying a less than quick death and explaining the grimacing expression.
All that aside, even in the very unlikely case that this photo is genuine (which it's not) posting a picture of myself shooting darn near directly at my buddy snapping pictures would definitely put me in the running for dummy of the year and is a glaring example of unsafe gun handling at the very least. But hey, if OL can print articles about how AR-15s are unworthy as a hunting rifle, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Heck even their formerly most noted writer didn't know anything about predator hunting or one of the most popular rifles used for it. lol!
Regards
To buy this yarn we have to be ignorant of coyotes, calling, tracking, and want to believe that the story and photo are real strongly enough to discount the obvious contrary evidence. I'm surprized that OL got fooled so badly.
As to Guess's comment about checking with coyote callers of long and wide experience, good idea but the site he recommends is not the place to find them. That site ran off the most experienced coyote callers.
Hammer,
Nah the three post was none of the above. IT was simply one of those wierd little computer issues. It was simply stating my efforts and experiences. If you actually can read and read the post I note that I have called and killed more yotes than most do in a lifetime. I am not saying all, but I do kill a fair share and have thousands of hours investing in calling. It is what I do. You have not seen my hoax photo, because I thought of it today. Give me a few calling trips, And I will see what I can pull off. Take the photo to a good photo editing software and blow it up. There are snare rings on 2 of the dogs I can see, others do not offer that option. Also change the contrast a bit and you will get a better idea of the snow pilling htat took place. The dog with the frozen snow to the side is obvious as are the other 2 dogs with snow forze to the face.. Notice how there are no tracks behind the animals at all? If coyotes were heading that direction they would leave tracks, specifically the one on the far right. Look at the amount of distrubed snow between the shooter and the yotes. Look like a herd of elk must have passed.
Again it is a funny picture, but shows how gullible some are, especially those with no experience in the area of coyote calling and hunting.
Hammer you are so quick to think a picture is really and accept it as true, yet doubt a person when they speek from practicle first hand experience. I forgive you for being tricked and forgive you for being defensive when called on it. We all make mistakes.
Was posting the same comment 3 times for emphasis, elker?......You've called and killed more yotes than any of us have ever seen in a lifetime, huh? Wow! You must be a stud....However, why is it that we have yet to see your 'hoax' photo? Bottom line? Give us a break and get over yourself.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
I'm curious to see if the hunters will "respond".
Also - We're thinking of going 'yote hunting Sunday (N. Colorado) and if we get 1 or 2, we may take our own pics to show how to "stage" a photo. :)
don't take everything so seriously. jeeez.
Oh brother....another expert chimes in
This is a serious black eye for this publication and website. It has confirmed my long held belief that the people at OL are way out of touch with reality. This act of supporting this picture and false story confirms that my time will be much better spent reading other publication.
As for the HuntingEditor, you are still seriously defending the situation? You are obviously someon with very little experience hungting yotes. The simple fact is when a group of yotes are called they never arrive at the samtetime in that tight of a group. Even pairs called will usually be yards apart. Especially in open country like that. If you do call a group there will be some that stay back and some that charge and other between.
While the photo is funny, it is a completely staged and a total fake.
What saddens us, Guess, is when your only reason for chiming in is to promote some other website---THAT is total cheeseball behavior. If you like predatormasters so much stay there.
It saddens me to see such an article printed in one the of historically great magazines. It is blatantly obvious to anyone that is a predator a hunter that this photo is staged. Might I suggest that OL have their editors visit Predator masters .com and find some great hunters to do some great articles.
fake. i hope your mothers are ashamed. this would be a good joke for your hunting buddies and then tell them its a fake, but not to us well educated outdoorlifers
Its staged. they froze the body's to look like those forms, and them suck them in the snow. You can see not even looking at the other cameraman.... haha funny but fake.
The very fact that the note included with the pics begins with, "The pictures are for real and so is the story," tells me all I need to know. They have to begin their tall tale by attempting to convince you to ignore your instincts and senses.
1. Doesn't the coyote on the far right have a suspicious "lean to the right" of its entire body/frame? It sure doesn't appear to be perpendicular to the ground. It reminds me of a schoolkid with a built-up shoe.
2. All of them have their attention on the shooter while totally ignoring the cameraman?
3. The bent-nosed yote looks to be seated. His spine is markedly angled downward toward the ground and there is no way his hips are in the air. He's challenging a hunter from a seated position?
4. In the ATV pic, notice how one yote on the yellow ATV has a tail suspended in mid-air.
I say it's a fake staged with yotecicles from an earlier trapping session.
Hi All - Great comments. As the guy who posted the photo, I'm still leaning towards its authenticity. Let me look at some of the con (it's a fake) arguments. The fact that there's no rifle in the photo is pretty damning, but it could have been tossed in the snow just out of the frame. Also, I know the country where this happened, and it is pretty easy to believe a pack of coyotes could come in without being seen and be on top of the callers in a heartbeat. It's real broken country, with deep draws. It looks like this scene is on a ridge, which means coyotes could have come up on them in a hurry.
The biggest problem I have with the photo is that it looks like this is low light, either real early or late in the day. But the photographer's shutter speed was very fast and stopped the action. That's hard to do.
I inclined to believe it's real because there are no footprints in the snow, which would be required to set up a still life of this complexity. Also, look at the dogs' laid-back ears and snarly mouths. If they're mounted coyotes, I want to know the taxidermist. I think the matted snow - and a little blood, if you look closely - is from a wound. I'm guessing that coyote was hit, went down and is now back up and in the fray.
I tried to contact the folks who originated the photos, and haven't gotten a reply. If you're reading this, weigh in. Let us know more, and give us some more photos on which to make a judgement.
In the meantime, rally on. This is a good discussion.
Andrew McKean
Hunting Editor - Outdoor Life
not sure if i think it's fake... that coyote on the right has it's tail all puffed up. but if it's real, how did the guy taking the camera not get shot? hmm
just some thoughts...the pile of snow and all the tracks could be a pile of snow these guys made to use as cover. they are not wearing the greatest snow camo, ya know. the snow on the dog may not be frozen on, could be flying snow from the comotion. the blood could be from a shot that he just took. ive seen many pictures with timing just right to see the blood spraying, but i dont see any smoke or reaction like it was just shot, but it is only a 22. the rifle could be sunk into the snow. it is obviously deep and possibly fluffy. it could be forward more by the mound of snow. im sure he is backstepping to get more distance between him and the dogs. still possibly a very fake picture, i understand all the negatives towards it but i still like to hope there is more honesty in people than that. id take a sweet picture like that and make a story for my buddies to laugh at, but this went way too far if it is fake, just tell us, its still impressive. either way, nice shootin on the dogs guys!
I've harvested plenty of coyotes with a 22...BUT after further review...It's a FAKE!
Photo is completely fake. you really think coyotes will get that close to something they never rarely see in the wide open? along with the beautiful taxidermy staged up. I dont know about these coyotes but coyotes here take more than a 22 bullet "in them" to put em down. and yea where is the rifle hiding? in the 22's holster?
I can't say for certain but I do know one thing. Some friends of mine propped up 2 frozen dead deer and took a picture of them 'petting' the deer and if no one told you that they were frozen, you would NEVER have guessed. Moral of the story: don't beleive everything you see.
Flat terrain, no cover, yet couldn't see the 'yotes until 20 yards?
Snow disturbed all in front of the 'yotes?
5/5 with animals closing at 10 yards?
When I shoot at a 'yote, and miss, it's in the next county before I know it, but they're still coming?
I agree, faked photo. Coyotes are froze and staged. Come on....
I tip my hat to all the gentlemen smart enough to see through this staged photo.
Andrew, I've done an interview with you before and have to say I'm surprised you fell for this.
These coyotes are froze or are in full rig. Blatant snare marks, jelly heads, and snow piled around the main group to prop them up, gun safety ignored. Footprints all over from setting up the farce. Anyone that has hunted coyotes or trapped would know immediately this is staged. Come on people. Amazing....
I'm going to have to agree this most likely a set-up. I wasn't there so I can't tell you a 100% but I'm about 95% sure. I downloaded the picture, sharpened the image, and added some brightness.
What I found was what looked like a big pile of snow under the large group of coyotes. The reason the camera man is in the line of fire is because that is the best angle to see the coyotes and not the snow.
That looks Hawg Wild!
These 'yotes don't have survival instinct. Running full bore at somebody banging away at them? We should have many stories like this if that is coyote behavior.
they look frozen to me. and why would someone take pictures instead of shooting or something?
Nice eyes click and backman2 and all the others that can see the hoax. Why would they do it? To get their picture in a outdoorlife web article that's why.....the next time I go out and whack a few doggies I may take some halloween costumes and dress up the doggies for a picture. Then maybe I can get my picture on here and I can hear how great it is that someone finally shot the boogie man and how bad it is that someone shot a power ranger!! No photoshop (or if photoshoped thats what gives the sence of blur to some of the tails and heads), just frozen solid dogs placed in a mound of snow to look real.
The ears would also be standing up if they were frozen. when animals die, their muscles relax and their body part go into a natural sitting position. the ears would be pricked up. and if they were frozen it would be hard to mount them on the quads that way. Not saying that picture was first but this very well could happen. I mean you people who say its so fake. Just because it's the first time ever being shown doesn't mean it isn't a real thing out there.
I'm a big coyote trapper and hunter out of New York and I think this picture could go either way. I've had coyotes come in to me and let than 10 yards before. If the dogs are hungry enough I've had them follow me in the woods. Second, they can have snow on there coats. Who said it was frozen? And it doesn't cause rubbing. Good Lord. And I use a Ruger .22 pistol when I'm trapping so it is easy to take em.
Hey guys,
I am a trapper and there are obvious snare markings on the necks. I have called a whack of coyotes in days past, but never do they come in like this...they space out. Never did I get 5 for 5 either and not with a .22. OL was totally fooled on this one. Absolute certain hoax.
I don't know if it's real or not either. I can see why it looks fake, but also real. The blood and snow do make it look fake, but the head, ear and tail positions a realistic (especially the dog on the far right). How would you make ears stand up, the tail be in three different "swishing" positions (starts center, moves right and down before moving left and up) not to mention the blur motion of the tail. If it were fake, the tails would be limp, heads, even if propped up, would be drooping and ear positions would be limp-some ears are up, some are laid flat. Just some thoughts...
As to why they'd do it? C'mon. Nothing else to do after shooting a bunch of 'yotes then staging a shot and sending it out to their friends.
Obviously, you know all cnelk--thanks for your insight!!
For all you that believe the story is real,
I got a secret for you, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real either.
I'm not at all convinced that the snow is stuck to that one yote. I'm thinking the camera caught it in mid-air after one of the dogs kicked it up.
For the guy who said that he should be looking where he is shooting, i think the pack of coyotes that were attacking me would cause me to forget my basic safety and fire away.
Exactly....why bother spending the time to set up a shot like that? Snow on the side of the wounded dog proves nothing but the insulating capabilities of their fur.
I guess my primary question would be: Why?
Looks like a really picture but i think the dogs were frozen hours before the shutter clicked.
Good eye The Dog.
So you think they stuck a bunch of frozen dogs in the snow and set it up? Hmmmmm.....maybe-----still a cool pic. I think it's legit.
I am sure that its a "real" photo. Nice job on shooting a bunch of song dogs.
Its just "how" it was set up.
Come on...
Look at the pile of snow that 'yotes are placed in.
Look at the frozen blood & snow on the side of the coyotes.
Look at the shooter - only a "rookie" would shoot toward his buddy
Anyone that has shot more than a few coyotes know that there is NEVER any frozen snow on a live coyote. They keep their coat very clean - except for some burrs (and fleas)
When the snow freezes & thaws in late winter, and the coyote lies down and then gets up, the guard hairs pull from the hide - such is what causes "rubbing".
I am sure these fellows are getting a real chuckle over this... as am I at you "rookies".
Yo dog.....sooooooooooo exactly HOW would you 'fake' a shot like that, huh? And as a photoshop enthusiast, I can tell you that it's not photoshopped.
They killed alot of dogs that's true. I wouldn't want to be the camerman if that guy is actually unloading a pistol as it says. Does the phrase "Know whats behind your target" mean anything to you? Looks like you would be in the path of about 10 22 rounds. Plus where is his rifle in the picture, come guys use your heads.
Either way they still killed a lot of coyotes so I'm impressed.
Wow, The Dog, so quick to discredit something based on one semi-decent photograph. Internet hoaxes have turned us all into skeptics. Sheesh. I mean, it very well, might be "staged" as you say, but there is absolutely no conclusive evidence in that photo to make anyone certain.
It aint April 1st yet! That's completely staged. Take a look at the snow frozen on the side of the bloody dog, and the mound of snow holding all the frozen dogs up. Nice try guys.
i'm surprised they didn't go straight for the attack, especially once the bullets started flying. awesome pic and story!
That`s cool! It would have scared the you-know-what
out of me!
wow thats talent
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I'm going to have to agree this most likely a set-up. I wasn't there so I can't tell you a 100% but I'm about 95% sure. I downloaded the picture, sharpened the image, and added some brightness.
What I found was what looked like a big pile of snow under the large group of coyotes. The reason the camera man is in the line of fire is because that is the best angle to see the coyotes and not the snow.
Here's an update. The photo was staged. I'm going to refrain from calling it a hoax, which implies there was some trickery to this. Instead, it apparently was a couple of guys having some fun, without thinking the photos would wind up before a national audience. My friend Mark Henckel at the Billings (Mont.) Gazette finally made contact with one of the guys on the initial email string, who disclosed that his buddies set up the scene with several of their frozen snared coyotes.
It makes sense, as several of the posts on this thread have detailed, when you look at the visual cues: snow trampled, the crusted snow on the side of the near coyote, the stop-action photography in low light, and the dubious gun safety skills of the shooter.
Thanks to everyone for weighing in with a perspective.
Andrew McKean
Outdoor Life Hunting Editor
I tip my hat to all the gentlemen smart enough to see through this staged photo.
Andrew, I've done an interview with you before and have to say I'm surprised you fell for this.
These coyotes are froze or are in full rig. Blatant snare marks, jelly heads, and snow piled around the main group to prop them up, gun safety ignored. Footprints all over from setting up the farce. Anyone that has hunted coyotes or trapped would know immediately this is staged. Come on people. Amazing....
It aint April 1st yet! That's completely staged. Take a look at the snow frozen on the side of the bloody dog, and the mound of snow holding all the frozen dogs up. Nice try guys.
They killed alot of dogs that's true. I wouldn't want to be the camerman if that guy is actually unloading a pistol as it says. Does the phrase "Know whats behind your target" mean anything to you? Looks like you would be in the path of about 10 22 rounds. Plus where is his rifle in the picture, come guys use your heads.
I am sure that its a "real" photo. Nice job on shooting a bunch of song dogs.
Its just "how" it was set up.
Come on...
Look at the pile of snow that 'yotes are placed in.
Look at the frozen blood & snow on the side of the coyotes.
Look at the shooter - only a "rookie" would shoot toward his buddy
Anyone that has shot more than a few coyotes know that there is NEVER any frozen snow on a live coyote. They keep their coat very clean - except for some burrs (and fleas)
When the snow freezes & thaws in late winter, and the coyote lies down and then gets up, the guard hairs pull from the hide - such is what causes "rubbing".
I am sure these fellows are getting a real chuckle over this... as am I at you "rookies".
Hey guys,
I am a trapper and there are obvious snare markings on the necks. I have called a whack of coyotes in days past, but never do they come in like this...they space out. Never did I get 5 for 5 either and not with a .22. OL was totally fooled on this one. Absolute certain hoax.
Nice eyes click and backman2 and all the others that can see the hoax. Why would they do it? To get their picture in a outdoorlife web article that's why.....the next time I go out and whack a few doggies I may take some halloween costumes and dress up the doggies for a picture. Then maybe I can get my picture on here and I can hear how great it is that someone finally shot the boogie man and how bad it is that someone shot a power ranger!! No photoshop (or if photoshoped thats what gives the sence of blur to some of the tails and heads), just frozen solid dogs placed in a mound of snow to look real.
COME ON!!! This is such B.S. The hunters said "The dogs didn't know where to go and were jumping around, barking, etc." Anyone who has called coyotes knows better than that. You shoot one part of a pair or miss a single, pretty sure they know what to do. They kick it in the butt and head for the hills. Coyotes don't "jump around barking" when the lead starts flying.
Has anyone here seen coyotes continue an attack on anything when there are gunshots going off. You fire two rounds with a 204 and the rest of the pack would be way out of 22 pistol range. And how could this guy hit anything with that kind of shooting stance.
And then there is the evidence in the photos. These are dead frozen coyotes stuck in the snow for a B.S. photo and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. I am disappointed in Outdoor Life for falling for this and all the people that believe just show how sad and uneducated our country has become.
You guys gotta remember they said COYOTE HOAX not coyote picture so this couldntpossibly be true.And plus where is the rifle.
wow thats talent
Either way they still killed a lot of coyotes so I'm impressed.
Looks like a really picture but i think the dogs were frozen hours before the shutter clicked.
Good eye The Dog.
For all you that believe the story is real,
I got a secret for you, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real either.
I agree, faked photo. Coyotes are froze and staged. Come on....
Flat terrain, no cover, yet couldn't see the 'yotes until 20 yards?
Snow disturbed all in front of the 'yotes?
5/5 with animals closing at 10 yards?
When I shoot at a 'yote, and miss, it's in the next county before I know it, but they're still coming?
1. Doesn't the coyote on the far right have a suspicious "lean to the right" of its entire body/frame? It sure doesn't appear to be perpendicular to the ground. It reminds me of a schoolkid with a built-up shoe.
2. All of them have their attention on the shooter while totally ignoring the cameraman?
3. The bent-nosed yote looks to be seated. His spine is markedly angled downward toward the ground and there is no way his hips are in the air. He's challenging a hunter from a seated position?
4. In the ATV pic, notice how one yote on the yellow ATV has a tail suspended in mid-air.
I say it's a fake staged with yotecicles from an earlier trapping session.
The very fact that the note included with the pics begins with, "The pictures are for real and so is the story," tells me all I need to know. They have to begin their tall tale by attempting to convince you to ignore your instincts and senses.
This is a serious black eye for this publication and website. It has confirmed my long held belief that the people at OL are way out of touch with reality. This act of supporting this picture and false story confirms that my time will be much better spent reading other publication.
As for the HuntingEditor, you are still seriously defending the situation? You are obviously someon with very little experience hungting yotes. The simple fact is when a group of yotes are called they never arrive at the samtetime in that tight of a group. Even pairs called will usually be yards apart. Especially in open country like that. If you do call a group there will be some that stay back and some that charge and other between.
While the photo is funny, it is a completely staged and a total fake.
The only thing I believe about this story is that they were snaring coyotes. In no way am I trying to be a chest beater but I've snared well over 1000 coyotes in my time (small potatoes compared to many people) and these look like snared coyotes that have been propped up in the snow. Anyone that has done any snaring knows that you will find them froze stiff in various positions in the cold of winter. The "snarling" expression is very common if you are using non lethal snare locks and even when using lethal snare locks. Sometimes the coyote doesn't cinch the snare down tight enough to cause it to expire quickly and will die with a choking/snarling expression. They will fall over and freeze with their tail straight or bent, and with the body in various positions. It is very common for them to get blood on themselves while fighting the snare. After dying in the snow, usually snow sticks in frozen clumps to the fur as well.
Having called and killed as many coyotes as I've snared I can honestly say I've called many, many groups of coyotes and not once in my 27 or so years of calling have I ever called a group tightly packed together like that. I've also never seen coyotes get that close to two people, sticking out like sore thumbs in the snow, and not get alarmed and take off while spreading apart. Yes coyotes can be killed with a .22 but anyone that has done any calling knows that it would be close to impossible to kill every coyote in that large a group when calling multiple coyotes. It would be tough to kill a large percentage of the group let alone all of them with an auto loading rifle of adequate caliber or even a shotgun, let alone a .22.
Not suggesting it is impossible but unlikely especially in light of the almost certainty, (I'm being polite saying almost) that the photo is a staged fake. You can see what appear to me to be obvious snare marks on some the necks and a couple of them have what we call "jelly-heads" from them remaining live for an extended period with the snare tight around their neck, trapping blood in their head causing the head to swell. The "snarling" coyote has the most noticeable swelling which would be consistent with it dying a less than quick death and explaining the grimacing expression.
All that aside, even in the very unlikely case that this photo is genuine (which it's not) posting a picture of myself shooting darn near directly at my buddy snapping pictures would definitely put me in the running for dummy of the year and is a glaring example of unsafe gun handling at the very least. But hey, if OL can print articles about how AR-15s are unworthy as a hunting rifle, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Heck even their formerly most noted writer didn't know anything about predator hunting or one of the most popular rifles used for it. lol!
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I've known these young men all of their lives. They are good, hard working guys who are true Montana sportsmen. They also have an amazing original 'made in montana' snipe hunting kit that they've demonstrated several times in this same area. This summer, watch for more posts containing shots of their bounty during the upcoming snipe season.
As far as i can tell from the pic the coyotes are amazing, they leave not a track one behind them but have the snow packed down to nothing in front of them
Jocko62, thanks for the affirmation of character for these boys. Now we are getting somewhere. I wondered if their fun kind of got away from them more than they expected. Can't wait for the snipe kit. Hope they provide instuctions on how to use it effectively for those of us with limited experience on snipe. Since you know them, ask them to throw in a recipe.
Hey that must have been scary. But i bet it was worth it. Hope to go yote hunting soon
Is the guy in the picture fan firing his pistol? A revolver? Single action 22lr ? 5 for 5 at piont blank range? I don't think Herb Parsons or Jerry Miculek could make that shot. And kill them all, not just hit them. Real or fake?
Come on people! It is a total hoax, bull puckey, fake. A pack of wolves maybe but a pack of coyotes no. They or stiffer than a preachers di*K. IT looks like a herd of elephants stomped all the snow down before the yotes got there and i really dont think 5 dogs would run right past the camera guy in the wide open while he just happend to have his camera out and not his own gun especialy since he is coyote "hunting".
geezz ok if it is true tell me this why in the world is the camra man so steady hell id of been grabbing my gun cause i aint trusting no ones ability to shoot that many angry coyotes lol but it was a good try to fool us please try to get anouther picture this is a good convo piece
wow man!thats awsome!but i do think that it set up.
What do you do with the yotes body after you skin it out?
Real or a hoax makes for a good story!
-Hunter Girl 1
i'm surprised they didn't go straight for the attack, especially once the bullets started flying. awesome pic and story!
I don't know if it's real or not either. I can see why it looks fake, but also real. The blood and snow do make it look fake, but the head, ear and tail positions a realistic (especially the dog on the far right). How would you make ears stand up, the tail be in three different "swishing" positions (starts center, moves right and down before moving left and up) not to mention the blur motion of the tail. If it were fake, the tails would be limp, heads, even if propped up, would be drooping and ear positions would be limp-some ears are up, some are laid flat. Just some thoughts...
As to why they'd do it? C'mon. Nothing else to do after shooting a bunch of 'yotes then staging a shot and sending it out to their friends.
The ears would also be standing up if they were frozen. when animals die, their muscles relax and their body part go into a natural sitting position. the ears would be pricked up. and if they were frozen it would be hard to mount them on the quads that way. Not saying that picture was first but this very well could happen. I mean you people who say its so fake. Just because it's the first time ever being shown doesn't mean it isn't a real thing out there.
they look frozen to me. and why would someone take pictures instead of shooting or something?
These 'yotes don't have survival instinct. Running full bore at somebody banging away at them? We should have many stories like this if that is coyote behavior.
That looks Hawg Wild!
I can't say for certain but I do know one thing. Some friends of mine propped up 2 frozen dead deer and took a picture of them 'petting' the deer and if no one told you that they were frozen, you would NEVER have guessed. Moral of the story: don't beleive everything you see.
Photo is completely fake. you really think coyotes will get that close to something they never rarely see in the wide open? along with the beautiful taxidermy staged up. I dont know about these coyotes but coyotes here take more than a 22 bullet "in them" to put em down. and yea where is the rifle hiding? in the 22's holster?
I've harvested plenty of coyotes with a 22...BUT after further review...It's a FAKE!
just some thoughts...the pile of snow and all the tracks could be a pile of snow these guys made to use as cover. they are not wearing the greatest snow camo, ya know. the snow on the dog may not be frozen on, could be flying snow from the comotion. the blood could be from a shot that he just took. ive seen many pictures with timing just right to see the blood spraying, but i dont see any smoke or reaction like it was just shot, but it is only a 22. the rifle could be sunk into the snow. it is obviously deep and possibly fluffy. it could be forward more by the mound of snow. im sure he is backstepping to get more distance between him and the dogs. still possibly a very fake picture, i understand all the negatives towards it but i still like to hope there is more honesty in people than that. id take a sweet picture like that and make a story for my buddies to laugh at, but this went way too far if it is fake, just tell us, its still impressive. either way, nice shootin on the dogs guys!
not sure if i think it's fake... that coyote on the right has it's tail all puffed up. but if it's real, how did the guy taking the camera not get shot? hmm
Hi All - Great comments. As the guy who posted the photo, I'm still leaning towards its authenticity. Let me look at some of the con (it's a fake) arguments. The fact that there's no rifle in the photo is pretty damning, but it could have been tossed in the snow just out of the frame. Also, I know the country where this happened, and it is pretty easy to believe a pack of coyotes could come in without being seen and be on top of the callers in a heartbeat. It's real broken country, with deep draws. It looks like this scene is on a ridge, which means coyotes could have come up on them in a hurry.
The biggest problem I have with the photo is that it looks like this is low light, either real early or late in the day. But the photographer's shutter speed was very fast and stopped the action. That's hard to do.
I inclined to believe it's real because there are no footprints in the snow, which would be required to set up a still life of this complexity. Also, look at the dogs' laid-back ears and snarly mouths. If they're mounted coyotes, I want to know the taxidermist. I think the matted snow - and a little blood, if you look closely - is from a wound. I'm guessing that coyote was hit, went down and is now back up and in the fray.
I tried to contact the folks who originated the photos, and haven't gotten a reply. If you're reading this, weigh in. Let us know more, and give us some more photos on which to make a judgement.
In the meantime, rally on. This is a good discussion.
Andrew McKean
Hunting Editor - Outdoor Life
Its staged. they froze the body's to look like those forms, and them suck them in the snow. You can see not even looking at the other cameraman.... haha funny but fake.
fake. i hope your mothers are ashamed. this would be a good joke for your hunting buddies and then tell them its a fake, but not to us well educated outdoorlifers
It saddens me to see such an article printed in one the of historically great magazines. It is blatantly obvious to anyone that is a predator a hunter that this photo is staged. Might I suggest that OL have their editors visit Predator masters .com and find some great hunters to do some great articles.
don't take everything so seriously. jeeez.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
As a publication there is a certain level of responsibility and dignity you should take in your job. This shows little of each. To publish this picture and story with no actual research is wreckless to say the least. There are students who use your publication to write repots, etc.
Bowman, not really an expert, but I have probably called and killed more yotes than many see in life time. I have had several stands with multiple yotes come int. Everything from 4 up to 13. Never have I seen an actual group come in that close to one another. There is always one in a big rush, usually the youngest/smallest one and the older larger ones take more time. Simply put the big ones know they will eat, the young ones only eat if they get there first.
cnelk, Good luck on your hunt in North Colorado. Yote population is way down this year. The rabbits all died off this summer and none of the pups seemed to live. This year we have taken 22 yotes, of which only one has been this years pup. That is down about 30% from the previous 4 years. The good news is the yote we are calling have great fur and are big mature dogs. There are just fewer positive stands.
The other effect has been way more fox around lately. The yotes have dropped thus the fox population is up.
Here is my hoax photo, pack of fox charging the caller and me fighting em off with bb gun.
Hammer,
Nah the three post was none of the above. IT was simply one of those wierd little computer issues. It was simply stating my efforts and experiences. If you actually can read and read the post I note that I have called and killed more yotes than most do in a lifetime. I am not saying all, but I do kill a fair share and have thousands of hours investing in calling. It is what I do. You have not seen my hoax photo, because I thought of it today. Give me a few calling trips, And I will see what I can pull off. Take the photo to a good photo editing software and blow it up. There are snare rings on 2 of the dogs I can see, others do not offer that option. Also change the contrast a bit and you will get a better idea of the snow pilling htat took place. The dog with the frozen snow to the side is obvious as are the other 2 dogs with snow forze to the face.. Notice how there are no tracks behind the animals at all? If coyotes were heading that direction they would leave tracks, specifically the one on the far right. Look at the amount of distrubed snow between the shooter and the yotes. Look like a herd of elk must have passed.
Again it is a funny picture, but shows how gullible some are, especially those with no experience in the area of coyote calling and hunting.
Hammer you are so quick to think a picture is really and accept it as true, yet doubt a person when they speek from practicle first hand experience. I forgive you for being tricked and forgive you for being defensive when called on it. We all make mistakes.
To buy this yarn we have to be ignorant of coyotes, calling, tracking, and want to believe that the story and photo are real strongly enough to discount the obvious contrary evidence. I'm surprized that OL got fooled so badly.
As to Guess's comment about checking with coyote callers of long and wide experience, good idea but the site he recommends is not the place to find them. That site ran off the most experienced coyote callers.
Twice this winter we have called 5 coyotes at one time in. Each time they were at different distances. One set-up, while I was watching 4 coming in from the left, (2 at 200yds, 2 at 300yds) another snuck in from another direction and my buddy shot it at 31yds. The same thing happened last winter, same spot. When 2 dogs come into a call they are pretty close to each other. But any more than that they are always spread out. Ever watch them hunt? they are never together.In our situations,once the gunfire starts, the coyotes are a fast moving target, typically in the opposite direction.
Our longest shot on a coyote this winter (so far) is 435yds ranged with a lazer rangefinder. Closest is 31yds. The others have been in between those distances.
Too bad the fur prices are not what they were a couple of years ago or we would really be putting a hurt on them.
This is how I like to see coyotes
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/cnelk/Bk_Jan_09_yotes.jpg
Thanks for the well wishes "elker"!
There are no lack of dogs on the ranches we hunt - 20,000+ acres.
Your experiences are alot like ours - coyotes are always separated when they come in.
Most people have not watched or seen coyotes hunt for food - they put on quite show as they dart in & out of cover, making it hard to keep track of 2 or 3 of them.
Hammer, i will personally bet that Guess has called more coyotes that you could even concieve. and yes, we will stay at predatormasters.com and have one heck of a good laugh at this ridiculous photo.
that pic is about at real as this one..
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/foxhunter22250/eaten.jpg[/IMG]
Hammer, i will personally bet that guess has called more coyotes that you can even conceive. and yes, we will stay at predatormasters.com and have one heck of a good laugh at this ridiculous photo. That photo is almost as real as this one...
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/foxhunter22250/eaten.jpg[/IMG]
What makes it fake for me: The dog on the far right - where did he come from? No tracks to the rearward. The only tracks we see are basically from the "hunter" to the pack - you know to set them up for the photo. Also it claims he set down his rifle and went to his side arm. Where is it? Did he wasl several feet away, place it on the ground and come back to duel with the yotes? OL - you got fooled and so easily. Kinda makes me question your expertise on just about anything. Pretty open country to not see them till 20 yards away too.
elker:
You and I pretty much have the same outlook when it comes to coyotes - and the topic above.
There are lots of dogs on the ranches we hunt - 20,000+ acres deer/elk/moose and lots of rabbits.
Few people have watched coyotes hunt for food. They are very masterful at it and they are seldom together. 2-3 coyotes are hard to keep track of when they are hunting - slipping in & out of sagebrush or willows.
No footprints? The whole area between the "shooter" and the dogs is trampled down with relatively undisturbed snow everywhere else.
Really? Attack coyotes! Really?
If the scenario where real the only thing in the photo would be the hind end of a fast coyote.
ps Do not go hunting with the pistolero, he does not play safe.
How about this "real" photo...
Will OL pick this one?
[IMG]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/cnelk/trail-campicoregon.jpg[/IMG]
if you look at the picture of the guy shooting the pistol he is fanning it. there are very few people in the world who can do that and hit all of the targets there are aimming at that r not moving, let a loan a bunch of moving coyotes
Huning editor my guess is you're not going to hear back from the boys that sent you this picture. It's a hoax they know it,(got a feelin you know it) and anybody that's been around coyotes alive or dead knows it.
Never mind why they'ld be only attacking the misbegotten shooter in the photo and completely passed by the photographer. Plus all the other reasons given by folks with a bit more attention to detail
Sure hope you didn't pay anything for the pack of bullspit photo.
Who cares if they are real or not. The guys got what they wanted their pictures in OL magazine online. They also got alot of attention. Also have a story to tell the grandkids someday.
Jesus what is happening? Is this what outdoor enthusiasts have come too? Rather than congratulate someone for their trophy we shoot skeptism and doubt their way. Personally I say congrats to the hunter. And as for the contraversal snow stuck to the wounded dog don't y'all think maybe at twenty yards the impact from the round would maybe knock the dog down and maybe just maybe when it got back up it had remanants of snow? Y'all need a hobby other than doubting every sportsman who might just have better luck than you!
Moose69, I like your attitude toward giving fellow sportsmen the benefit of the doubt but this deal has one caveat: there ain't no doubt.
cnelk you are lucky to be alive after attacking that lion.
coyote are rarely called in in packs of 2 or 3 if your lucky and never the amount seen on the quads at one time
If I had to vote I would call this a hoax. One thing I do know is that the thread conversations are more entertaining than the blurb of information supplied with the photographs.
HuntingEditor, classy response and explanation. Thanks. I've been gone a few weeks out of the country and just checked in to see what had become of this thread. Love the photo as one done in fun.
I did that one time, no foolin'! It happen much more often than you'd think. Coyotes frequently hunt mice, rates, voles, marmots, rabbit and hares in small packs like that. The problem arises when they are forced to fairly divvy up the plunder. Each coyote typically gets a leg and the alpha gets the torso. May not seem fair to you and I, but that's coyote law. The coyotes I shot were much larger than those in the picture though................
omygosh thats sooooooooo set up
omygosh thats sooooooooo set up
how would u stage this let alone take the time to fake it
If the tail is moving fast enough to blur the image, then how could the shutter catch the dogs in perfect focus. From the photographic aspect, the image makes me sceptical.
real or fake it still makes a good day dream
Those are awesome.
I was raised by my Father and Grandfather, who did not condon the killing of these wild packs unless it was absolutly neccessary. You see my grandfather was full blooded Cherokee, my grandmother was full blooded Choctaw. My grand father in his last years of hunting did not want us killing a deer for camp meet, so we mostly had to find a feral hog which was not hard back in those days. Unfortunately the woods/swamp we used to hunt is no longer there, the land was cleared for farming, about 25 years back.
Michael Edwards
That's awesome! I have only went coyote hunting once but have not been able to see one. During rifle season last year a coyote walked in front of my deer stand about forty yards but I couldn't hit it with a Savage over-under with slugs and iron sights so I didn't attempt the shot.
That`s cool! It would have scared the you-know-what
out of me!
Wow, The Dog, so quick to discredit something based on one semi-decent photograph. Internet hoaxes have turned us all into skeptics. Sheesh. I mean, it very well, might be "staged" as you say, but there is absolutely no conclusive evidence in that photo to make anyone certain.
Yo dog.....sooooooooooo exactly HOW would you 'fake' a shot like that, huh? And as a photoshop enthusiast, I can tell you that it's not photoshopped.
I guess my primary question would be: Why?
What saddens us, Guess, is when your only reason for chiming in is to promote some other website---THAT is total cheeseball behavior. If you like predatormasters so much stay there.
Oh brother....another expert chimes in
I'm curious to see if the hunters will "respond".
Also - We're thinking of going 'yote hunting Sunday (N. Colorado) and if we get 1 or 2, we may take our own pics to show how to "stage" a photo. :)
It was very obvious from the start...THAT IS A SCAM!!!!...How do you know?...ONLY 1 PICTURE?????
This is a great joke to play on your hunting buddies. I have done this with squirrels for friends new to hunting and to my brother in law on a doe that I shot. It was and is great fun. My brother in law emptied his rifle at the dead deer.
i,d say its staged.iv,e been huntn dogs 20yrs an those yotes arent cummin like that with 2 guys standin out in the open in the snow with no snow camo on.plus the camera guy has some lead in him probably.it,s all tracked up round the yotes,besides.still,a neat photo though.keep runnin them yotes!
Odd, that the cameraman appears to be in the line of fire?
That's a awesome pic
wow thats awesome i wish that happened to me i need to get rid of some yotes around here
besides that talent, you even got it on camera, good one!
So you think they stuck a bunch of frozen dogs in the snow and set it up? Hmmmmm.....maybe-----still a cool pic. I think it's legit.
I'm not at all convinced that the snow is stuck to that one yote. I'm thinking the camera caught it in mid-air after one of the dogs kicked it up.
I'm a big coyote trapper and hunter out of New York and I think this picture could go either way. I've had coyotes come in to me and let than 10 yards before. If the dogs are hungry enough I've had them follow me in the woods. Second, they can have snow on there coats. Who said it was frozen? And it doesn't cause rubbing. Good Lord. And I use a Ruger .22 pistol when I'm trapping so it is easy to take em.
Exactly....why bother spending the time to set up a shot like that? Snow on the side of the wounded dog proves nothing but the insulating capabilities of their fur.
For the guy who said that he should be looking where he is shooting, i think the pack of coyotes that were attacking me would cause me to forget my basic safety and fire away.
Was posting the same comment 3 times for emphasis, elker?......You've called and killed more yotes than any of us have ever seen in a lifetime, huh? Wow! You must be a stud....However, why is it that we have yet to see your 'hoax' photo? Bottom line? Give us a break and get over yourself.
Obviously, you know all cnelk--thanks for your insight!!
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